• buckykat [none/use name]
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    25 days ago

    I was engaging in what I thought was a discussion of a nuanced policy on Olympic inclusion

    It's always "nuance" with these fucking liberals

    • BashfulBob [none/use name]
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      25 days ago

      One of the reasons these "nuanced" discussions are so toxic is that they frame any kind of deviation from the WASP social norm as a cheat-code. This goes straight back to the fucking Negro Leagues, with "nuanced" sports writers insisting that race mixing would be unfair to white athletes.

      It might as well be eugenics, another zombie field that liberals cannot ever get enough of.

      • buckykat [none/use name]
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        25 days ago

        And much like eugenics, their claims exist completely independent of all evidence and reality.

        • BashfulBob [none/use name]
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          25 days ago

          It's like climate change or lead poisoning. Billionaires making shit up to refute conclusions from their own engineers with their surplus cash.

          Six very rich guys pay a thousand men in lab coats to fashion a new mythology of Dutch Ethnic Supremacy. And then the rest of us have to argue for scraps of human dignity in front of a priesthood that just slap the Book Proving You're Not Human and saying "No, you get nothing."

  • LibsEatPoop [any]
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    25 days ago

    I don’t know anything about anything here but this is the first time I’m seeing someone use straight as one of the identities to defend themselves lmao.

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  • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
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    25 days ago

    I wish I knew about this before I voted for Stein :/ Not like it matters as I'm sure my vote probably went into a paper shredder anyway.

  • Barx [none/use name]
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    25 days ago

    There's a certain brand of American pseudolefty that is constantly searching for the best way to weaponize any perceived marginalization they might have in order to justify being an abusive prick.

    Like... actually beware. You've gotta kick them out of your groups before they start shit.

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  • happybadger [he/him]
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    25 days ago

    I don't understand or trust Stein's judgement if this is who she chooses. She could have chosen absolutely anyone as a running-mate for a campaign she knew she wouldn't win. Could have sent any message, given the greens any kind of ideological framework, even just found a really good orator to amplify. This is who she chose out of anyone. And if it wasn't her personal decision alone, this is who that party chose to represent their beliefs on a national stage.

    PSL remains the only national project worth investing in. Greens are judas goats for the same old slaughterhouse.

    • BashfulBob [none/use name]
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      25 days ago

      Broadly speaking, I don't think this guy matters. He's the VP side of an also-ran ticket. He's not particularly rich or influential (compared to an also ran VP like RFK Jr's Silicon Valley divorcee Nicole Shanahan). In a better world, Stein would have... idk... used Juche Necromancy to bring back David Graeber or something and put him on the ticket. But right now, her primary appeal to voters is as a protest vote and not for anything she's saying or doing beyond the generic "I think war is bad" truisms.

      PSL remains the only national project worth investing in

      If you've got a local chapter, that's great. If you don't, you work with what you have. But PSL isn't on the ballot in a number of bigger states. I'm not going to blame someone for voting Green simply to register their discontent with the Big Two.

      • PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS [he/him, they/them]
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        25 days ago

        He matters in that he reveals the ideological hollowness and fecklessness of the Green Party. If someone is going to function purely as a protest votes then the absolute least that can be expected is ideological rectitude. They have to at least be good in theory!

        I'm not going to forgive or excuse transphobia at the top of the ticket

        • BashfulBob [none/use name]
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          25 days ago

          He matters in that he reveals the ideological hollowness and fecklessness of the Green Party.

          They do that with their absolute inability to organize anything locally. They can't function as a party. They only exist as a brand.

          But that's exactly why a guy like this doesn't matter.

          They have to at least be good in theory!

          Greens cultivate an image of "naturalist" types. And that attracts people who believe everything from plastics to nuclear energy to vaccines to hormone replacement is sinful.

          That's a problem of the ideology. And it's a tough nut to crack, because there's a natural contradiction between ecological purity and industrial technology that I've yet to see a good simple way to navigate.

          It's not the only natural schism I see form in left-liberal circles.

          The DSA chapter I flirt with from time to time inevitably has a nasty struggle session over AES states and whether or not they're just another flavor of bourgeois imperialism. You get under the hood of these heated arguments, and a lot just ends with "Who do you believe?"

          I don't think you can get a "Good in Theory" candidate unless you can find a set of facts everyone can agree on. And as America is the most propagandized country on Earth, that's a big ask.

          He sucks, sure. But anyone you pick will inevitably disgust some number of Leftists for some take on a divisive issue.

          • PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS [he/him, they/them]
            hexagon
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            25 days ago

            He sucks, sure. But anyone you pick will inevitably disgust some number of Leftists for some take on a divisive issue.

            Transphobes and misogynists aren't leftists

            • BashfulBob [none/use name]
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              24 days ago

              When you're in the most propagandized country on Earth, leftists are few and far between

  • Evilphd666 [he/him, comrade/them]
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    25 days ago

    Dude they came from your own mouth. Or is he claiming they A.I. edited his voice? I don't see him denying he made the atatements.

    neither a Pro-life ‘abortion banner’ nor a transphobe

    Ware said in violation of the Green Party platform he wanted to ban abortion at 16 weeks.

    Ware said in violation of the Green Party Paltform to exclude "biological males", a transphobic dog whistle of denying transgender existence, from the transphobic IOC / Olympics. It's either justice for all or justice for none. Especially given this last year where transphobic attacks were abundant on a public stage against a cis woman. sore-loser

    He remarks that Islam doesn't ban abortion when it comes to saving the life of the mother - trying to have it both ways. Oh so now your yes, but only in these cases...

    Then rants about not wanting to be "thought controlled" - dude you're running as the VP of a party with probably one of the most extensive platforms I have ever seen. I wish the PSL had something like that.....or existed within 100 miles of me. sicko-wistful

    In 2020 I "held my nose" for Ho-hum Howie because even though he had the carisma of a Droopy stinky wet towel that sat in the gym laundry cart too long - one of the least enthusiastic or passionate candiates I've ever come across - he stood by the platform and I could point to that. Boring, drab, and bland AF but principaled at least.

    If a party doesn't enforce and stand by that platform with their candidates, then it is unserious. Like the damned Dems who claim they are a "big tent" party, and have no values beyond murder for profit.

    I wrote a long winded "dissapointed in Butch's comments and response do better" response to a Stein campaign text.

    Is Butch stuck in his ways? Maybe? who knows. Where he is on his journey isn't it and detrimental to the peace goals and downballot future greens. Are to sus every one on the balot now? Go through the many many points on the Paltform with everyone to vet ourselves individually? It's a trust issue.

    This shit is draining. Famous left eating its own now. Butch stepped in it and was a fool going on that show of which I've not heard of before yesterday. Erased much good will that was built up.

    • LesbianLiberty [she/her]
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      24 days ago

      I wish the PSL had something like that.....or existed within 100 miles of me. sicko-wistful

      My brother in christ, you can and should start a branch! If you've applied and not heard back, reach out to me over DM and we can share Matrix contact info and I'll try to get u connected

  • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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    25 days ago

    Doesn't actually address the content of the words he spoke, just appeals to the content of his soul and innermost thoughts.

    Sadly they haven't invented a way to observe those parts of a person yet so this doesn't mean anything.

  • LaughingLion [any, any]
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    24 days ago

    okay pal, so then can we go back to how you want to strengthen the zionist position in the region through undermining the sovereignty of iran by forcing them to disarm?

  • gay_king_prince_charles [she/her, he/him]
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    24 days ago

    People get clipped out of context all the time, yes. However, you should provide the context if you are arguing that you were clipped out of context. Because right now, anyone who wants to believe him only has a 12 second clip that makes him look terrible to judge him by.