And their defence still consists of playground bully levels of "nuh uh, no I didn't".
This is what makes it so much worse to stomach. These two are just bullies, with zero empathy, zero remorse and without the emotional intelligence to even begin to think about what they have done to other people. It's appalling to think that there are people out there who are so incapable of recognising that other people have lives too and that what they have done has destroyed many people. I genuinely hope they are completely crushed by this trial, though sadly I can't help but feel that he's going to dodge any real form of punishment. Reactionary, backwards politics and culture needs people like the Tates to continue to perpetuate their never ending hierarchy of suffering, and I can imagine them continuing to get bankrolled so that they can pedal their toxic influence even after being so publicly shamed.
Same. Deeply sickening to think what they put those women through.
Every year, there are fewer and fewer pieces of shit. 20 years ago, maybe even 10, no one would even know about this. Times are changing, and although it is true that a huge proportion of people are the literal worst, it IS getting better. Maybe in a few more generations things like this will be a thing of the past. Fortunately these particular scumbags are being held accountable.
idk about this. there's a new wave of transphobia that's spread as far as progressive dem circles (cf the Young Turks) and the right has gotten so rabid about it that they're conducting a genocide across much of the country. I'm not using that term lightly - the goal of this slate of legislation is to remove trans people's ability to exist in public spaces and to kill us by outlawing access to lifesaving medical care.
What legislation? That seems like a pretty big deal and I'd love to learn more.
But the point still stands- how many openly trans people were there in 2003? Not many, probably because they were violently suppressed. The world today has a long way to go, but it's getting better. All I'm saying is, it's getting better.
Here's an overwiew: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/03/anti-trans-transgender-health-care-ban-legislation-bill-minors-children-lgbtq/
Also i know a ton of older trans people who were already out 20 years ago. There's more of us not repressing our transness today, sure, and just 5 years ago i would've agreed with you that things have improved massively, but the last few yeasrs have been outright terrifying, there's a very real backlash against trans rights and it is bankrolled with a ton of money from reactionary activists in the US, but also Brazil, the UK, the EU, Russia and the gulf states. Hate crimes are increasing,t his years' pride season was full of attacks and vilification as well. Queerphobia is taking over as the right's new favorite form of bigottry. Things are getting rough out there, i've regularly seen requests about migrating to Europe from American and British trans people during the last year, until the majority recently changed to posts like "im stuck in Florida and can't leave, what happens to my body when i can't take HRT (hormone replacement therapy) anymore?" Talks about where to move to when things turn south are fairly common among us nowadays, as are plans to arm and organize for community self defense.
Oof that's what I get for talking about shit that I don't know anything about. Sounds pretty scary 😬
It's fortunately not as bad as that everywhere, and there's also different developments. A pretty large part of society is becoming more accepting of us, not just tolerant, but actually caring and genuinely curious and willing to help where they can. I've had overwhelmingly positive reactions when i came out, i actually have more and deeper friendships than i used to, there's loads of wonderful, kind, supportive people out there.
But there's this backlash at the same time, and in the areas and milieus where that's happening, it's really terrifying and awful.
People have been talking like this since the advent of civil society. As people age, the poorer ones often die and the class interests of the wealthier ones change and they become an all-to-appropriate replacement for the generation that died off.
They're more visible now, and that also means a light is being shone on their activities.
So it looks like there are more, when in reality things are being dealt with.
Right, its nearly impossible to talk about changes in society as a wholly quantitative thing. Nominative identities are 'fuzzy', they shift, are created by peoples, and create peoples.
Nevermind the unsubstantiated claim that there are fewer people with sexist beliefs today than in the past--what we can say, and indeed what really gets to heart of the matter of the interplay of forces in society, is that an identity, or "global person" has emerged--first as descriptive and then as something consciously taken on--set apart from the rest of society in an antagonistic relationship that as its entire foundation is predicated on sexiat beleif.
IDK there is a bunch more that needs to be said. Lot to unpack in that original comment...
Subscriptions to their online groups, the War Room and Hustler's University, appear to bring the brothers around $5m a month in membership fees, prosecutors say.
Im gonna bet this is money laundering
Yeah its like 100k people sending $50 per month which is pretty believable. But still! Well have to see how it all plays out
I doubt it because given the fact he has bragged about the exact methodologies of his sex trafficking operation on the internet I don't think he's smart enough to know to launder his money
: "Heh, silly women who fawn over Ted Bundy!"Also
: "Andrew Tate should legally get away with it because he's soooooooooooooo KEWL U GUIZE!"I still remain convinced that he is completly fucked. This is such an out for the actual oligarchs who run Romania. They get to look good both showing that Romania is not corrupt and that they are not at all a sex trafficing hub by convicting this stranger, who is not actually rich by their standards or part of the ruling class of a crime he has demonstrably commited. I think we are about to see a textbook example of how the law is supposed to work according to liberal textbooks. Andrew Tate will in no way be mistreated while in custody and will be given the very picture of a fair trial. Then he will be convicted and face a sentence not unlike what a normal person would face.
...And then the Romanian oligarchs will probably get their Schengen deal, but whatever. I don't expect to get to see my side win, but I do expect to see someone I despise lose pretty spectacularly. I can enjoy that.
How is his chin that small even WITH a beard? Is that the real reason incels idolize him? I know they've got lots of weird chin issues is he like their Helen Keller? Chinless success story?
