Super fair point, I think I shitposted instead of explaining myself correctly - I guess on my end I kind of just feel that some of the now bigger creators are more concerned about flash/presentation than content. And yeah, of course Natalie was always really into presentation and Olly is really enjoying finally being able to produce the sort of content he wanted to with his theatre background and more the power to them but I feel that the actual arguments/discussions have fallen to the wayside a bit. Question of taste I guess!