Sincerely, do not read this if your mental stability is tenuous. Basically details the numerous factors, environmental and otherwise, that are all pointing to societal collapse by the 2040s. I could barely get through it without feeling nauseous. There's some minor liberalism regarding China but it's more of a footnote than major focus.

  • pooh [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    I feel like this is a strong reason as to why dual power is an ideal organizing strategy. When things start to get worse and government/corporate services start to fade away, people will turn wherever they can for help. If we have at least some alternate structures/networks set up by that time, it could start to be recognized more and more as viable alternative for many ordinary people trying to get by.

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    Consequently, there will be a rise of fascism and the use of concentration camps. Trump already tried to block migrants in the south of the US and China is doing terrible things to Uighurs to have a uniform country. We will see a rise of this in most developed countries over the next 30 years.

    us child concentration camps = "trying to block migrants" but china is doing ethnic cleansing, OK dude

      • TheSaltan1312 [he/him]
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        Many of the people responsible for our continued predicament remain accessible on the American continent for now. Maybe we pay them a pre-emptive visit. :che-smile:

        edit: get fucked NSA this is parody

      • Mardoniush [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        I assure you our Kiwi friends have scouted out the air vent locations and have the kerosene fires ready if the shits try to bunker down. No such thing as a fully closed cycle bunker, not yet.

        • culdrought [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          We'll chuck in some concrete to close those bunkers up for them

        • Lrak [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Is there not? If you have billions I would imagine it would be trivial.

          • BookOfTheBread [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            Making a self contained livable homeostatic enclosed system is crazy difficult, as far as i'm aware it still hasn't been achieved even in those large experimental biodomes, let alone some underground concrete bunker.

            • Lrak [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              What‘s the problem? Water? Electricity?

              • BookOfTheBread [he/him]
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                Everything basically, if you don't have an external water or air supply then you need internal systems that basically mimic the real world but in like 0.00000000001% of the space. Say to make enough oxygen you need x amount of plants, you will need a certain amount of plants for food also, but to support those plants you/others or some animals need to make enough co2 to support them. Getting this correct on a small scale is incredibly hard and as things can fluctuate a lot more due to the smaller scale (say all your potato crop gets a disease and dies) you can have everything end up spiraling out of control and all being dead very quickly.

          • Mardoniush [she/her]
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            4 years ago

            NASA can't do it and they have substantial incentive in trying. Every system requires inputs. Even a nuclear sub requires coolant water.

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        I’ll be shooting what? My neighbors?

        only if you didn't make any plans to be around someone else

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      Yeah there's no actual analysis here, just a pastiche of sometimes oversensualized news articles almost tailor made to induce existential dread.

      I'm not saying things are going to be rosy, but don't take your cues from the guy who includes tsunamis in his climate change cataclysm counts.

    • MarxistJeb [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I like when he talked about how Russia is behind Black Lives Matter vs. Blue Lives Matter lmao

    • TheSaltan1312 [he/him]
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      Then he's a dullard who's aggregated a bunch of data that he didn't produce himself. Doesn't make the picture of the future any less bleak. What's your point?

    • TheSaltan1312 [he/him]
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      We should expect chaos. Shit hitting the fan. I'm in a similar boat, I'm doing a degree in environmental science to get a job that doesn't exist.

      The mental health answer is the grill pill, the psychotic answer is to do what you can to prepare but acknowledge there is no escape, as the wheels of catastrophe have been in motion for decades.

        • TheSaltan1312 [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Because there's only so much you can do to prepare. You can grow shit if you have a backyard, you can buy a gun, you can put together illegal rain-collecting barrels, but at the end of the day we don't know what collapse will look like, particularly in the States. You'll be preparing, sure, but half the time you'll be paranoid and thought-looping about the myriad bullshit that you just can't prepare for. A cursed existence, perhaps no more cursed than we are now, but cursed nonetheless.

          • BookOfTheBread [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            You don't need to let prepper paranoia take over your life to have at least some basics covered, get a month or so worth of long life food and rotate it occasionally. Get some water filters or something to make water safe. Get a cheap gun and a small stock of ammo. If you did all this you should hopefully at least be able to weather any short term issues.

            If you have a garden dig it up and try growing food, it's a fun hobby and can save you money so it's worth doing anyway. This and some water collection capability and you will be very resilient to a lot of issues.

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      So… what should we expect by 2040?

      Nobody knows for sure. I'd be surprised if by then there is not at least one nuclear exchange, for example, and most countries having collapsed, but that's just a guess.

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    4 years ago

    Capitalism is doomed to die. The only question is if we're going to die with it or not. And dear fucking lord, if I can't fight to win, I sure will fight for revenge, or justice.

    Every single day, I hear liberals, or read their shitty moronic takes. Every day, I have to put up with people telling me I'm too radical, I'm just unrealistic, or whatever the fuck they can come up with. And when it's not liberals screaming random shit about civility, it's chuds or outright fascists who think it's ok to live in such a world. I think we've been patient enough.

      • Jorick [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        The saddest part of it is that all of this could've been avoided. Both of us could've lived normal lives if the bourgeoisie threw us a few bones. LIke you know, decent living conditions, a future, and actual hope about climate change, not some beyond useless, symbolic measures.

        • murro [any]
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          4 years ago

          Eh, you can't fix a culture of consumption with a few concessions. You'd have to change the root cause of overconsumption, capitalism, and that's not a concession that the bourgeoisie will ever make

        • Not_irony [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Yeah, I think about how cheaply i could have gotten paid off. Like, $65k out of school and some cheaper housing and I'd likely be out there enjoying brunch, sad to say. But here we are. I guess I'm glad for it, in strange way.

    • TheSaltan1312 [he/him]
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      The most horrifying aspect of the whole ocean side of climate change and eco-catastrophe to me is the plankton. They're dying en masse due to ocean acidification and they are all but the lowest life form on the food chain for vast swathes of the ocean. Similar to bees for land, when the plankton goes, the dominoes of biodiversity collapse will start falling in earnest.

    • grisbajskulor [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Correctly labeled NSFW because it's 2pm and I still haven't done any work today due to existential dread :C

  • grisbajskulor [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Article looks biased lol I'm sure everything's fine everyone, back to posting

    • TheSaltan1312 [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      We don't have to be the only ones who suffer the consequences :back-to-me-shining:

    • LargeAdultSon [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      Nah. Those who fucked around will probably be dead before the finding out begins in earnest.

      We were just born fucked.

    • Mardoniush [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      Unfortunately, civ collapse is 85% children starving on a roadside.

      • Azarova [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        god that movie made me feel physically ill for a whole week after i saw it.

        • Grimble [he/him,they/them]
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          Somehow the worst scene of that movie wasn't the nuke incinerating hundreds of people, the woman with a thousand yard stare cradling a dead baby, or even the end where

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          Ruth's daughter miscarries because of radiation

          For me the most bleak moment of the film was the part where the children, completely emotionless, sat in the abandoned auditorium watching the old VHS tape, clearly without taking in any of the information. More specifically, when the woman mouths the lines being spoken on the tape. You can tell she's seen this before - they've all seen it before - but there's nothing else to watch. All the animals whose skulls the video shows are probably extinct now, so the information is worthless. And just by looking at the childrens' faces, you can tell they've never experienced joy in their lives; their natural state is emotionless apathy. Most of them are illiterate and mentally challenged. There's no point in even learning new things, because within two or so generations human society will either regress to an animal level or die out completely. There's no second industrial revolution, no new species to rise from the dust, and no unaffected nations left to carry on the torch - all that's left to do is sit in a ruined building and watch Words and Pictures until you die.

          Amazing movie though.

          • Azarova [they/them]
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            4 years ago

            Yeah that scene is definitely the one that has stuck with me. The other thing that movie does so well is that in the beginning, as people go about their normal lives, you can hear in the background on radios and TVs reports of tensions beginning to rise and no one is paying attention. No one notices whats actually happening until the shooting starts. Kinda feels like the same thing but at a slower pace with climate change, like it's some vague, hypothetical far future that most people aren't paying attention to.