https://thehill.com/homenews/news/529841-fauci-addresses-black-americans-vaccine-concerns-this-was-developed-by-an?amp

Dude, this shit is exhausting. Fauci could've been promoting a lockdown instead of promoting a narrative about how this public health crisis can only be solved through personal responsibility. Now we're pivoting to the idea that black people are irrational, and nevermind that a quarter million people were just killed as a matter of convenience and how that might affect your trust in the government.

Anyway, my mom is mad at me for saying I hope Fauci gets COVID. How could I say that about this man who has no influence but is somehow still on CNN every fucking day?

  • Coolkidbozzy [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Saying a black person helped develop it is like how biden selected kamala harris as VP to appease the BLM protestors. It doesn't mean anything materially for the black people who have been hurt in the past and won't help rekindle trust in the medical system

  • TheBroodian [none/use name]
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    Fauci could’ve been promoting a lockdown instead of promoting a narrative about how this public health crisis can only be solved through personal responsibility.

    Nobody has ever written anything more true than this

    • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      It was the same during AIDS. It was all wear a condom, wear a condom, wear a condom, without ever asking why black men were getting it more often than white men (despite wearing condoms more often).

  • OhWell [he/him]
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    Fauci has been part of the problem from day 1 with messaging around the virus.

    Early on, he tried to say masks weren't all that effective. This played into the narrative that conservatives were pushing early on with the culture war crap vs not having to wear masks.

    Later on, he got into it with Trump and because no one can criticize Trump outright without him acting like a baby about it, this turned into a bunch of finger pointing and the media running endless stories about Trump acting like a schoolyard bully and being mean to Fauci.

    Now he's pushing these vaccines that have had little testing and no known longterm side effects. The headline in question here is just typical identity politics from the liberal media.

    The main problem is that the media and everyone pushed this narrative that a vaccine would bring everything back to normal. Our system was already very fragile and just hanging on by threads before this pandemic. After 40 years of neoliberalism and pushing to privatize industries, defund and deregulate everything, it was only a matter of time something like a crisis such as this would derail the entire thing. That's precisely what this pandemic has achieved. It's made everyone realize that our politicians and the parties they represent, make your pick Democrat or Republican, have been pushing to strip the system of all safety nets and entitlements in favor of pushing that money towards bloated military and police budgets. What we ended up with was an authoritarian police state that can launch national guard at any moment to brutally suppress protests, but can't fund it's hospitals across the country to save lives.

    • CountryRoads [fae/faer,it/its]
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      Early on, he tried to say masks weren’t all that effective.

      This initial statement has killed more people than any shithead Red State governor, and it's not even close.

      Seriously, he killed over 100,000 people by lying about a common sense concept becuase the US government couldn't figure out how to make pieces of paper/cloth in large enough quantities to actually slow the spread. It's even more damning because even in the case of a lockdown, there's still millions of people who need to go to work in-person, often in tight quarters, just to keep society running, and we have to do something to make their work environments as safe as possible. God only knows how many people died doing work that in any circumstance, they would have had to do anyway, but this guy lied to our faces about wearing masks.

      Masks slowing the spread of respiratory viruses is common-sense. He lied to your face solely to let the government avoid the embarassment of not being able to make 50cent pieces of cloth and paper. It's worse than Ford letting a car defect persist because the cost to fix it is more expensive . Fauci and the Surgeon General guy should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity for lying about masks.

  • a_jug_of_marx_piss [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    What does this even mean? Isn't the concern that vaccines are primarily tested with white men and could cause problems with other people, not that it's some evil plot to poison all black people?

      • Rod_Blagojevic [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        Die instantly:

        Fauci wants people to know that one of lead scientists who developed the Covid-19 vaccine is a Black woman

        https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/12/09/us/african-american-scientists-vaccine-development-trnd/index.html&ved=2ahUKEwiw7Nyc68btAhXQB80KHR8ND6sQ0PADegQIMxAB&usg=AOvVaw0LzJsjaWJQKh3-dn9s4y-4

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      Because -- if we can ditch political correctness for a minute -- Black Americans skew low in science literacy and trust in the establishment (and therefore volunteering to take the vaccine -- despite being among the highest populations per capita to contract Covid-19) means they need a little assuaging to feel more comfortable taking it. This is good, despite the hardon for hate everyone has here.

      • maverick [they/them]
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        Black people also have a history of being used as test subjects for medical experiments in the US. Not saying that's probably going on here but it's not unreasonable for black people to be wary of a new vaccine that has barely been tested and is being actively emphasised to black people.

      • anthm17 [he/him]
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        Black Americans skew low in science literacy and trust in the establishment

        Might have something to do with the government doing inhuman experiments on them.

      • Rod_Blagojevic [none/use name]
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        So I might have my head a little up my ass is what you're saying. I agree. But as a counterpoint, it seems to me that the option to vaccinate is not going to be well recieved despite it being the most profitable option for private industry.

        We might ultimately just need the lockdown Fauci should've been trying to normalize all along. Also, this might not breakdown along our normal culture war fault lines where we just dump on rural, working class white people. We're gonna blame working class black people too. Meanwhile we'll still have the pandemic that could've been ended a year ago and it doesn't seem to me that condescending to/educating black people (whatever it may be) is gonna save this dead end option.

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          At the end of the day, it's a war against disinformation, and even these patronizing gestures should be welcome if they contribute to alleviating some of the stress of this pandemic.

          • Rod_Blagojevic [none/use name]
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            I suppose. But I feel like Fauci himself built the foundation for all of the disinformation by spending almost a year now talking about everything but the need for a lockdown. He created a robust debate about whether or not we should wear masks, which wouldn't end the pandemic anyway, when he could've promoted (instead of obscuring) an actual solution.

            • LoMeinTenants [any]
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              I mean, if you're putting the responsibility on Fauci to have mobilized the nation and government into action, it's not gonna turn out well. His biggest cock-up was the mask thing at the beginning, but otherwise, the reality is if he stepped down or was bullied out of his position, it would have been a Trump stooge FAR worse than Fauci. In that respect, I can't bring myself to wish harm on him.

              • Rod_Blagojevic [none/use name]
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                I'm in the world of hypotheticals now, but I don't think a Trump buffoon worse than Fauci would have the credibility to influence discourse at all. For whatever reason people are still looking to Fauci and it seems to me like he's lying to them.

                  • Rod_Blagojevic [none/use name]
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                    That we don't need a lockdown and that masks used imperfectly along with a vaccine many people won't take will be sufficient.

                    • LoMeinTenants [any]
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                      Ah shit, you weren't kidding

                      Fauci said the US has 'no appetite' for lockdowns but mask wearing and distancing could be enough, the day after a Biden advisor called for a weeks-long lockdown

                      We live in hellworld.

                      • Rod_Blagojevic [none/use name]
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                        I didn't even see that. I thought he was problematic in a more subtle way. Maybe I hope he gets Ebola instead.

                        Edit: Lol

            • Rod_Blagojevic [none/use name]
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              I get that masks help, but they definitely oversold them as our only possible response while we wait for a vaccine. I would call that disinformation.

    • OhWell [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Fauci has over 80% medical documents on AIDS as of today. He's the leading doctor in research on it.

    • Rod_Blagojevic [none/use name]
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      I don't know the particulars of his AIDS work, but obviously that also could've been contained with a rather brief but aggressive intervention that never happened.

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    Black people aren't irrational they just have knowledge of history.

    It's cool how we're gonna use that to blame them for the vaccine distribution being bad.

  • ancom20 [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    I agree, Fauci is supposed to control the disease (CDC/NIAID). Not let the disease control him & everyone else.