This is pretty classic Marxist electoral strategy, even if Dore isn’t a Marxist. You constantly push demands and distinguish yourself from your opponents, use every bullhorn you can to make people aware of who their enemies are and what they believe. Criticize them substantially, make clear that what they’re saying is that they disdain your demands, they think you deserve to be exploited, excluded from power, left to fester in the pits that the market throws people into. Constantly rally people to the flag.
I agree with this and support the idea, but my problem is that Dore and others pushing this don't seem to have any larger strategy. Even if a vote does somehow serve as a way to expose politicians who would vote against it (which I'm skeptical of), then what do we do with that knowledge? We already know who is against it, yet we continue to do nothing. The real debate should be around this, in my opinion, and not simply pushing a performative measure that accomplishes nothing. We need to start seriously considering what actions we can all take instead of expecting our rigged political system to somehow unfuck itself enough to grant us healthcare.
Neither does any other youtube left channel. What is Sam Seder telling people to do? Or any of them? None of them are like "yeah we need to turn DSA into a Marxist org or party that can participate in elections without being total libs about it".
There are YouTube channels that would and do say this, but maybe not specifically about M4A, and those channels probably occupy a different space than the socdem channels like Sam Seder, Kulinski, Jimmy Dore, etc.
if this is what shows people the limits of electoralism that’s a positive
It doesn't. People won't make the connection unless you point it out to them.
This is why it's important for worker parties to exist: they have the ability to push for these pressing issues, and the ability to project the failures of electoralism when the bougeoise inevitably crush it for their bottom line.
I mean its also the product of DSA endorsing left-libs like AOC instead of fielding their own genuinely socialist candidates and creating mechanisms to hold them ideologically accountable.
The vote don't do anything because all the cosponsors can vote yes knowing it's not going to pass. AOC should absolutely not vote for Pelosi without concessions but this is not a useful concession
I don't think it's beyond the pale. AOC never committed to supporting Pelosi after the election in 2018, and I think thats how she got onto the Oversight Committee. Pelosi is negotiating with them right now as it's her last term, the Squad is larger and has more leverage, and she would probably want to avoid conflict at the start of the term. If the concessions are bad, that sucks. But my point is that an M4A vote does not really help so literally anything else would be more beneficial
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I agree with this and support the idea, but my problem is that Dore and others pushing this don't seem to have any larger strategy. Even if a vote does somehow serve as a way to expose politicians who would vote against it (which I'm skeptical of), then what do we do with that knowledge? We already know who is against it, yet we continue to do nothing. The real debate should be around this, in my opinion, and not simply pushing a performative measure that accomplishes nothing. We need to start seriously considering what actions we can all take instead of expecting our rigged political system to somehow unfuck itself enough to grant us healthcare.
Neither does any other youtube left channel. What is Sam Seder telling people to do? Or any of them? None of them are like "yeah we need to turn DSA into a Marxist org or party that can participate in elections without being total libs about it".
There are YouTube channels that would and do say this, but maybe not specifically about M4A, and those channels probably occupy a different space than the socdem channels like Sam Seder, Kulinski, Jimmy Dore, etc.
FWIW, Jamie Peck, who is on Sam Seder's show, did actually talk about this on Twitter today.
It doesn't. People won't make the connection unless you point it out to them.
This is why it's important for worker parties to exist: they have the ability to push for these pressing issues, and the ability to project the failures of electoralism when the bougeoise inevitably crush it for their bottom line.
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Sure she does.
The idea that the house only represents people in one district is insane.
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There is no point to even trying to elect these people if this is how they act.
She's giving the same tired excuses as every shithead for the last 40 years.
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I mean its also the product of DSA endorsing left-libs like AOC instead of fielding their own genuinely socialist candidates and creating mechanisms to hold them ideologically accountable.
The vote don't do anything because all the cosponsors can vote yes knowing it's not going to pass. AOC should absolutely not vote for Pelosi without concessions but this is not a useful concession
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I don't think it's beyond the pale. AOC never committed to supporting Pelosi after the election in 2018, and I think thats how she got onto the Oversight Committee. Pelosi is negotiating with them right now as it's her last term, the Squad is larger and has more leverage, and she would probably want to avoid conflict at the start of the term. If the concessions are bad, that sucks. But my point is that an M4A vote does not really help so literally anything else would be more beneficial