I'm no anti vax but this covid vaccine got me feeling sus
Fearing a second round of this
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutter_Laboratories#Cutter_incident
Fearing a second round of this
Fearing a second round of something completely unrelated that happened in the 50s and can't happen again because vaccines are no longer manufactured that way?
People have allergies. It happens. Luckily doctors have figured out very effective ways to deal with allergies, unlike covid.
I mean it is a perfectly normal thing to panic about tbh. Human psychology is not made for percieving threats to ourselves on this mass scale or even accurately assessing risk based on information, its the same reason people are scared of flying and not of driving despite the actual risks being completely reversed compared to people's impulse perception
In that sense then yeah but people should probably filter out their impulses a bit before reacting to something and putting it on the Internet.
Agreed, it's bad to uncritically share that impulse with others, but there's no reason to feel bad about momentarily freaking over something in and of itself, that's a normal human thing not something to be ashamed of was my point
OK I agree with that. What I don't like is the now frequent posts here by people freaking out about it, which obviously influence people and I don't like where it is going, because vaccines are simply the only thing that will end this, and if people freak out and refuse to get vaccinated based on some bad impulse then it's never gonna end.
True, and given that the potential outcomes of people hesitating to get a vaccine has a lot more at stake than someone hesitating to get on a plane, we need to be more careful about adding fuel to people's fears.
Dude these vaccines haven't even finished their tests and gained approval yet last time I checked. And there is no real reason why they should be safer, many vaccines have a few rare allergy problems when they come out, it's just that now every exceedingly rare issue is amplified 100x because everyone is hyperfocusing on the vaccines. They all seem to be perfectly safe so far, including the Cuban, Chinese and Russian ones, maybe with an asterisk on AstraZeneca. 3 people out of hundreds of thousands who have received it so far having allergic reactions is a silly thing to freak out about.
So far what I’ve read on here has me troubled.
Yes, this is the issue, people who have no clue what they're talking about doing the whole "big pharma is bad therefore the vaccines are scary too" bit. And now the new thing is freaking out about fucking rare allergic reactions. We're all gonna get killed because some people were spooked by extremely rare allergies after it was administered to a few hundreds of thousands of people. Which, like, even if someone gets an allergic reaction, these things are very well understood and you can be treated in a very straightforward way, unlike, you know, covid. The mortality rate of anaphylaxis is literally lower than covid (with deaths usually happening because of inability to access a hospital, not in a setting where you were literally already in a hospital receiving a vaccine), and we're talking about 3 cases in hundreds of thousands.
Not mentioning the American vaccines seem to mainly work on white people because they didn't do enough testing for anything more diverse than mayonnaise.
This stuff is bound to happen with large scale distribution. You're using anti-vax logic.
3 cases out of what, thousands, for a type of vaccine we've never deployed, for a novel disease? Idk sounds kinda sus those anti vax people might be on to something :galaxy-brain:
I'm gunna take it, but if this is a widespread problem then it's just going to inflame the anti-vaxer community.
I'm still gonna take it too but I'm a little nervous.
I'll be later in line anyway since I'm not a high risk person
yeah I figure by the time my place in line comes up shit will be pretty transparent.
haha, capitalists lying about things for their own gain? That never happens.
considering i'll be in a medical building surrounded by medical professionals when getting the vaccine, i'm not all that worried about needing a shot of adrenaline and medical care if i get unlucky tbh
oh god we've got antivaxxers on this site using allergic reactions to fearmonger about vaccines?
fuck all the way off you dumbfuck
how did these vaccines suddenly become available? in october, i heard from multiple places that vaccines were still 6 months out at the earliest.
You heard wrong lol
What IS 6 months out the earliest is actual mass vaccination of most of the population. Right now it is healthcare workers and some small groups of elderly people. It's not easy to produce or distribute the Pfizer vaccine so it's gonna take a long time before this can expand to the general public, and honestly I think it's gonna be another vaccine, not this one, that ends up being distributed en masse.
You're missing the part that we don't have any mRNA vaccines on the market and this could be a reaction that an incredibly small portion of the population has to any vaccine like this. (People with egg allergies have issues with current market vaccines, just as an example). You're missing the part where this did not come up in trials and out of the hundreds of approved vaccines already given in the UK they've only seen 2 examples of this. You're missing the part where covid vaccines were fast tracked in an administrative sense but heavily scrunitized (this is going out to hundreds of millions of people) so to call them rushed is a stretch. You're missing the parts were "oh shit, that's a new side effect" always happens with every new medication and that's the whole purpose of the "Phase 4 trial" concept, which this vaccine is still going through.
Skepticism is a good thing, but taking a single data point or news headline to confirm what is ultimately a gut feeling you have is straight up anti vax logic and should not be tolerated or promoted here. Sorry for the mild rant but the discourse around this vaccine here is god awful and I'm sick of seeing anti vax talking points and views being applied around here
Some of this is just general knowledge that I've picked up here and there but when I want to point people to stuff I tend to use-
Short overview of FDA trials and what each phase means and remind them we are in Phase 4 meaning the drug is available for use but they monitor it heavily for any additional side effects or other issues.
Normally when you submit a vaccine to the FDA your on a waiting list and you're behind everyone else who put one in before you. They bumped everything related to covid to the front of the line (which is why test options got quick approval too) and they cut out arbitrary waiting periods between trials. This source is good or if you want a short blurb about how they basically sped up paperwork there is this as well
mRNA vaccines are new and really cool but also rely on known science so they are pretty safe. Bonus source
Here's something about people with egg allergies reacting to current vaccines this does not apply for all vaccines but its useful to mention whenever people bring up allergic reactions to this vaccine (which tbf does not contain eggs or gelatin, the two common causes of allergic reactions to vaccines)
Sorry that this is kinda surface level info/articles, if someone has a comphresive source on all this I'd love it so I can send it to people lol. Please re-evaluate the vaccine discussion here because it's outright dangerous. People possibly declining this vaccine puts them and everyone around them at risk
Maybe there should be a separete post about this to prevent any antivax sentiments, admins could then feature it
I've thought about it but quite frankly I've been too lazy to but maybe it's needed
Please weigh-in with why you think it's needed: https://hexbear.net/post/62129/comment/624785. Screamo was asking in the other thread I made if changing site policy to back against anti-vaxx posts is really necessary.
I'm going to cross the Mexican border to get the Chinese vaccine lol
I mean, the cutter incident is way more obvious and simple, we might be running into situations where there are subtle hard to predict problems based on this whole type of vaccine (the protein based vaccines)
I'm sure people are on this now, but yeah, this is reason to be concerned and slow the rollout while we figure out what happened and either modify the vaccine or do more safety testing and determine protocols to reduce allergic reactions.
