How can you watch these videos and think these peite bourgeois fucks are "working class"?

https://twitter.com/RealAlexRubi/status/1347314574614290435?s=19

  • Bedandsofa [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Some of them were working class, surely. The fact that someone sells their labor for their livelihood doesn’t make them impervious to bad ideas.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      4 years ago

      Some of them were working class, surely.

      Hanging out in a few hundred dollars of novelty cosplay with a dozen perennially online friends on the Washington Mall at 2pm on a Wednesday?

      Doubtful.

      • Bedandsofa [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        This is just such a bizarre take. There’s this weird sort of idealism, like working class people are never involved in reactionary projects. If you subscribe to a Marxist view of class, the overwhelming majority of the population of the US is working class. It just means you sell your labor for a wage and depend on that wage for your livelihood. Again, surely that includes some of the people who blundered their way into the Capitol.

        You wouldn’t be wrong to say that this sort of thing is based in a petite bourgeois layer, but working class people participate in petite bourgeois bullshit all the time. Like fascism would literally never work if movements were strictly delineated along class lines. That’s why the Nazis made appeals to socialist rhetoric, to mobilize workers/manpower for their project.

        • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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          4 years ago

          You wouldn’t be wrong to say that this sort of thing is based in a petite bourgeois layer, but working class people participate in petite bourgeois bullshit all the time.

          If we're going to establish a definition of the working class as distinct from petite bourgeois, a good dividing line is measured in the time and resources necessary to engage in this kind of travel and performance.

          Unless that mob all spilled in from Maryland and Virginia - rather than private jet - this was overwhelmingly petit bourgeois.

          Like fascism would literally never work if movements were strictly delineated along class lines.

          Events like the Business Plot and the Beer Hall Pustch were heavily weighted towards the members and extended families of the petite bourgeois. They are a kind-of vanguard party in that way.

          • Bedandsofa [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            If we’re going to establish a definition of the working class as distinct from petite bourgeois, a good dividing line is measured in the time and resources necessary to engage in this kind of travel and performance.

            You could define class like that, according to that line you just made up for the purpose of your argument, or you could use the definition of class that Marxists have been using since Marx himself, which is based on roles in the productive process and relationships to the means of production / other people’s labor power. I’ll stick with the Marxist view, and not come up with an entirely new definition based on an article about 2 out of 20,000 people who took a private jet to DC.