From the recent Bad Faith podcast. Gonna read up on them. Seems like a decent first step towards full communism, with the added benefit of I don't think people have an immune response to the term.

"Democratize the workforce" is pretty close to "seize the means of production". I'll take it, for now.

  • sadfacenogains [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    ok so workers organize and...then what? what concrete goal would they be working towards? state ownership of all capital? just higher wages and nothing more?

    • read_freire [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      Look, diversity of tactics good and I patronize worker-coops wherever possible and dream of one day working for one. I also am working to organize my industry. But acting like worker cooperatives have a basis in theory as a vehicle to socialism is wildly revisionist. I'm begging you to read John Stuart Mill or at least enter 'cooperative enterprise' into your preferred search engine.

      Don't take my word for it, but off the top of my head workers organize and...:

      On Turtle Island and in most of the anglosphere they organized around 8 hour workdays, 40 hour workweeks, ending child labor, receiving parental leave, etc. A lot of people died at the hands of the state and paramilitaries in order to make those changes to their workplace. The state and bosses bent to these demands in order to otherwise avoid a revolution or attempts at one.

      Perhaps most notably, without the worker soviets in 1917 the bolsheviks are never able to seize or keep power.

      Like what do you think it means to call for workers of the world to unite and seize the means of production, exactly?

      • sadfacenogains [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        It is one thing to sieze power. It is anothre thing entirely to have a concrete idea of how to organize the economy after taking power. And the very incentive for taking power depends on what exactly the end goal is.