So this all started when a Lib I know declared "Biden has done more than anyone ever." That, on its own, is an obviously ridiculous statement. Other Libs I was with tried to temper their statement with "in the past 50 years" and such, but even that was to much for them. But the worst part, by far, was the constant deflection, logic chopping, and derailment. I bring up the blocking of the rail union strike, I get "sounds like something Trump would do" in response, with complete obliviousness to how that reflects poorly on Biden. I bring up Biden's continuation of Trump era immigration policies, and they reply with "half of the congress is Republican controlled". I try to bring another point up, but slip up and say "Democrat Party". Despite my use of "Democratic Party" both in the sentence before and the sentence after, they harped on that point for nearly 10 minutes. I couldn't manage to bring the conversation back to Biden, so we eventually just awkwardly parted ways.
Compared to the internet, in person political arguments are a lot harder to leave, a lot harder to fact check, and a make gish galloping easier. People will just use every fallacy under the sun, then call you out for using a fallacy when you actually didn't.
Complaining about libs IRL doesn't really fit the rules of the_dunk_tank, tragically. I just sorta felt like complaining though.
Yeah, you gotta' basically have an internet-connected device when arguing IRL if you wanna' fact-check dipshits. And probably access to whatever books you read too, even. And that's assuming they actually care about what you have to say anyway.
Keep it 1 on 1 until you have some strength in numbers. Eventually you'll at least get a few neutrals who will roll their eyes like "yeah heard all this before" when you get into it with someone.
Everybody there was too deeply committed for me to ever be able to change their minds, but that was just too crazy of a statement to not challenge. OT101 already got me on that 1 on 1 track, and its been surprisingly effective.
