So I sent that Gravel Institute video to a couple of friends, and they made the point (and it's been made to me before) that anyone with a pension scheme that invests in shares is a "capitalist" and "owns the means of production".

And I guess that's true. By virtue of investing money in a scheme, or putting savings into an index fund, I am owning companies that are exploiting workers across the globe.

The next step of their logic I guess is that I'm a hypocrite (true I suppose but also difficult) or that in the 21st century it's impossible to separate the proletariat from the beorgousie so distinction is subjective and meaningless. Because, in a country like mine where pension schemes that invest in stocks are compulsory (and even if they weren't most people would still do it) - we are ALL beorgousie/capitalist in that we all to some extent own the means of production.

I guess my question is - how to I respond to or reconcile this? I want to say "don't hate the player hate the game" or that meme about "hmmm you use an iPhone - curious! 🤡🤡" - but Jeff Bezos, or my boss, could say the same thing?

  • ultraviolet [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    You can point out how while it is technically true, the vast amount of shares are owned by the upper 1% and the people actually working there will own a tiny tiny tiny fraction, if at all. The more shares you own in a company, the more power you have over it so workers don't actually have any control in how the company is run.

    Every person I know who buy shares do it because they worry about having a stable source of income because of how fucked the job market is and not because they're sadistic assholes who chase after bigger numbers. If we had a fair system to begin with, no one would need to invest in the first.