• CarlTheRedditor [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Stop posting fash Twitter, Jesus fucking Christ.

    Quote context: https://hexbear.net/post/76262/comment/812444

    The American Rescue Plan also addresses the growing housing crisis in America. Approximately 14 million Americans — 14 million — have fallen behind on rent, and many risk eviction. If we fail to act, there’ll be a wave of evictions and foreclosures in the coming months as this pandemic rages on, because there’s nothing we can do to change the trajectory of the pandemic in the next several months. So, look, this would overwhelm emergency shelters and increase COVID-19 infections as people have nowhere to go and are socially — can’t socially distance.

    I have no idea if this American Rescue Plan thing is good bad or ugly, but that's irrelevant to the point here. The obvious fact is that old man Joe wasn't saying "can't do shit for months" but rather was saying exactly why they need to do something now.

    Disclose.tv is a fash/chud conspiracy site. They're not your friend and they will seek to mislead you.

    Why OP chooses to not recognize that, I cannot explain.

    • queenjamie [none/use name]
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      Even tho it's a questionable source, it is still true that Biden's statement about how "there's nothing we can do to change the trajectory of the pandemic" contradicts his earlier statement about Biden "has a plan to get this virus under control." The added context doesn't change that.

      Statement A: I got a plan to get the virus under control.

      Statement B: Context context context.... there's nothing we can do about the trajectory of the virus (in other words I have a plan, but it doesn't actually get the virus under control, altho it may do other things).... context context context.

      • CarlTheRedditor [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Biden’s statement about how “there’s nothing we can do to change the trajectory of the pandemic”

        Over the next few months. Key words.

        So he's saying the trajectory over the next few months is a result of decisions already made, and we need to act now to react to that, to what's coming.

        That is not mutually exclusive to having a longer term plan to get the virus under control. Which is what everybody's pretending this quote means, when it plainly doesn't.

        And it should interest people that this quote keeps getting posted here from right wing sources who we should never be taking at face value or presuming good faith from.

        If we're not careful about weeding this kind of shit out, then one day we're going find people unironically posting like Dave Rubin clips here just because he accidentally stumbled ass backwards into a correct critique of Biden.

          • CarlTheRedditor [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            We did a better job of dealing with this on the subreddit and need to get back to that. Not perfect by any means but better.

        • queenjamie [none/use name]
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          So he’s saying the trajectory over the next few months is a result of decisions already made

          He didn't explicitly say that, but guess you could assume that, which is a fair point.

          Although the reality is that we actually can do something to get the virus under control in the next few months. But that's not something Biden will do imo.

          It's kind of like when he said during the BLM protests that he wanted to give more money to the police. When he was criticized for that, libs would say "oh but that's not what he meant, he meant xyz" (even a friend of mine told me that when I brought it up). But the truth was simple, he wanted to give more money to the police, even when the "context" was added.

          The same is true of so many other Bidenisms. Even when the context is added, it doesn't help his case (e.g. the "you ain't black" comment).

          • CarlTheRedditor [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            He didn’t explicitly say that, but guess you could assume that, which is a fair point.

            I'm not assuming anything, this is exactly what was said when you consider this quote within the context of the sentence that it is a part of.

            • queenjamie [none/use name]
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              4 years ago

              this is exactly what was said when you consider this quote within the context of the sentence that it is a part of.

              Which is an assumption. Based on context, but like I said he never explicitly said that.

                • queenjamie [none/use name]
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                  4 years ago

                  It's not clear that he meant "trajectory over the next few months is a result of decisions already made". It's not clear at all. Maybe that's your interpretation, but let's not pretend like it's some objective look into Biden's mind and intentions, even when the context is added.

                  Listen, I'm not trying to debatebro you here.

                  • CarlTheRedditor [he/him]
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                    4 years ago

                    What is clear is that he's proposing and advocating action to address an effect of the pandemic.

                    What is also clear is that the quote is being presented in a manner that suggests that Biden is doing absolutely nothing.

                    So what we have is a disparity between the presentation and the truth. Also known a a lie. And it's coming from a God awful chud/qanon site.

                    If those circumstances aren't a problem for you then you're just doing the right wing's work for them.

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  • Coolkidbozzy [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    what if he thinks he's VP and that obama is responsible for the pandemic response

  • Pezevenk [he/him]
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    It's probably true by this point. I'm not sure even a complete lockdown would stop it with that many active cases. Although I guess maybe it could slow it down enough for the vaccines to come and for summer to hit.

      • Pezevenk [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Well, if there was a lockdown earlier the disease could have been eliminated. But with that many active cases right now and with the mutations also spreading, it's not gonna happen, and in very heavily infested areas, I'm not even sure it would slow down significantly. BUT in less infested areas it should work well.

    • Not_irony [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      if the lockdowns aren't working, you aren't doing them hard enough, imo

  • vertexarray [any]
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    4 years ago

    Biden's plan: give up and wait until it's politically expedient for the dems to do something about the pandemic

    • KantNeverCould [any]
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      4 years ago

      wait until it’s politically expedient for the dems to do something about the pandemic

      March of 2020 is when it was "politically expedient" for the Democrats to do something. The impeachment was supposed to be their slam dunk. When that failed, they had to make the pandemic into their backup plan. They don't want to play with that toy anymore.

      Just lmfao if you thought the "tough" response from the Democrats was genuine and not a political game.

      • vertexarray [any]
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        4 years ago

        I don't think it ever has or will be expedient for the dems to do anything because it necessarily means putting profits as priority #2. They'd upset their donors.

        • KantNeverCould [any]
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          4 years ago

          It's all a game. What's disheartening is that so many people on the Left do not realize it yet.

  • OgdenTO [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Can't they at least go on ventilators and kneel in the capital for 7 minutes to honor those who have died of covid. That should solve it.

  • hazefoley [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    The only way to change the trajectory would be to close down or vaccinate everyone very quickly. Not going to happen because we live in a failed state.

    Prolly gonna get some hate for this but Biden's cabinet is at least somewhat technocratically competent. I have hope we might get some movent in getting over this shit

    • queenjamie [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      Prolly gonna get some hate for this but Biden’s cabinet is at least somewhat technocratically competent. I have hope we might get some movent in getting over this shit

      I have absolutely zero hope.