Equating what is (reportedly) going on in Xinjiang to residential schools or to japanese internment is not a good comparison.
In residential schools the whole point was to remove culture with no other reason than to clear out areas for white expansion backed by imperialism. The terror was the point - babies torn away from parents, no history, culture, language allowed.
For Japanese internment, the point was that they presumed there was a threat from Japanese nationals, and cruelly rounded up 100% innocent people where there was no violence or attacks committed, and no interference from japan itself. It was purely a tool to subjugate a group for the government to create an enemy and steal their property.
For Xinjiang, we don't really know the extent of what's going on. Almost certainly there aren't millions of detainees being full on tortured and murdered. On the other end, there is certainly more to it than just rounding up proven terrorists and enabling instruction to allow them better chances at success and peace within chinese society.
But, the reported purpose is to deradicalize real terrorists that have proven CIA backing and have causes thousands of deaths of innocent people in Xinjiang. This is an actual problem, and not just made up or in the name of imperialism.
There are certainly issues with innocent people being detained as well, and there is surely abuse in some of the facilities - and this should be more transparent and dealt with. However it also appears that there really is support of keeping culture, and support of keeping religion and language, and also real educational opportunities to work towards deradicalization.
I think the problem is we don't really know if exactly what's going on, but I haven't seen any reports that seem reputable that describe some kind of mass torture rings, and I have little reason to doubt the Chinese governments goals and motivation of the program.
Is there abuse? Are there some people getting caught up in it that shouldn't? Probably, and the opacity of the program leads to a situation where this is difficult to fix and that's bad.
I mean, they have actual checklists that determine if you get scooped up or not. Ones anyone can look up. They're trying to stop mass murder, not destroy Islam in China.
The checklists include things like "Spreading religious fanaticism through irregular beards or name selection" and "Generalizing the concept of Halal".
If you think that criminalising beards and the concept of halal isn't discrimnatory against muslims then I dunno what to tell you.
It's not a checklist, it's a list of things that are prohibited so each one is prohibited on it's own. I haven't seen anything that says you need to hit a certain amount but if you have a source that says that I'd be happy to look into it further.
Equating what is (reportedly) going on in Xinjiang to residential schools or to japanese internment is not a good comparison.
In residential schools the whole point was to remove culture with no other reason than to clear out areas for white expansion backed by imperialism. The terror was the point - babies torn away from parents, no history, culture, language allowed.
For Japanese internment, the point was that they presumed there was a threat from Japanese nationals, and cruelly rounded up 100% innocent people where there was no violence or attacks committed, and no interference from japan itself. It was purely a tool to subjugate a group for the government to create an enemy and steal their property.
For Xinjiang, we don't really know the extent of what's going on. Almost certainly there aren't millions of detainees being full on tortured and murdered. On the other end, there is certainly more to it than just rounding up proven terrorists and enabling instruction to allow them better chances at success and peace within chinese society.
But, the reported purpose is to deradicalize real terrorists that have proven CIA backing and have causes thousands of deaths of innocent people in Xinjiang. This is an actual problem, and not just made up or in the name of imperialism.
There are certainly issues with innocent people being detained as well, and there is surely abuse in some of the facilities - and this should be more transparent and dealt with. However it also appears that there really is support of keeping culture, and support of keeping religion and language, and also real educational opportunities to work towards deradicalization.
I think the problem is we don't really know if exactly what's going on, but I haven't seen any reports that seem reputable that describe some kind of mass torture rings, and I have little reason to doubt the Chinese governments goals and motivation of the program.
Is there abuse? Are there some people getting caught up in it that shouldn't? Probably, and the opacity of the program leads to a situation where this is difficult to fix and that's bad.
So, I don't know.
That's literally what Macron is referred to when he played with the thought of putting muslims into camps.
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I mean, they have actual checklists that determine if you get scooped up or not. Ones anyone can look up. They're trying to stop mass murder, not destroy Islam in China.
The checklists include things like "Spreading religious fanaticism through irregular beards or name selection" and "Generalizing the concept of Halal".
If you think that criminalising beards and the concept of halal isn't discrimnatory against muslims then I dunno what to tell you.
Except it's a checklist, so that's pretty fuckin' disingenuous to only include the easiest ones to fall into.
It's not a checklist, it's a list of things that are prohibited so each one is prohibited on it's own. I haven't seen anything that says you need to hit a certain amount but if you have a source that says that I'd be happy to look into it further.
And I think that a neoliberal right-wing government would have a different implementation than a protocommunist government.
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Socialism is allowing mass knife attacks on kindergartens, right?
Why weren't you interned after Sandy Hook?
Is there a sale on bad faith arguments today?
You know damn well Sandy Hook wasnt an intentional attack by another nation.
Bury your head in the sand if you want.
Socialists try not to externalize internal contradictions challenge
It's like we just radicalized George Bush
lol
so what do you think of Afghanistan
BAD FAITH.
ok
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Why?