The genocide is still ongoing and many things are still developing in Palestine, but we are removing the limitation on only posting things related to the operation Flood of Al-Aqsa to this thread, you can now freely post over Lemmygrad again.
Please don't stop talking about Palestine.
Due to popular demand, please keep all posts about the operation to this megathread, sitewide.
Israel has the better weapons and allies in terms of military power. That's not always the most important thing, but what are the prospects of Palestina being successful? And what possible allies will they have? I don't see Iran coming to help anytime soon tbh.
I saw Scott Ritter had some interesting insights that MSM, as usual, is missing: Palestinians have much more will to fight. Israelis are a settler nation and most of them have second citizenships they can flee to. Palestinians don't. For a Palestinian soldier the consequence of surrender is just a slower death than what they'd get if they keep fighting. An Israeli on the battlefield has a lot more to lose from taking any risks compared to fleeing. A Palestinian soldier has nowhere to flee to.
He also noted that if Hezbollah commit as well, all of Israel's neighbours are gonna see it as a now-or-never chance to finally rid themselves of having a nuclear-armed US puppet on their doorstep; and if they don't take it and let Israel make a bloodbath of Gaza and the West Bank, they'll become more stable and consolidated than ever.
To add to what you're arguing, every time Gaza is bombarded, more people are displaced, more people are left without a home, more people are radicalized and therefore the number of members in the militia grows. What is someone, who is physically apt to fight, going to do in such a situation? No home, nowhere to go unless you can somewhat cross half of occupied Palestine. Every member of the militia is nothing but a radicalized civilian, and every civilian is a potential militia member.
This is probably why Israel enacted the Hannibal plan, which is essentially that they will kill IOF soldiers before they let them be captured.
What is iof?
Israeli Offense/Occupation Force
Nice.
So what were you saying? Israel intends to kill its own instead of letting them get captured?
Yeah, that's the basis of the "Hannibal" protocol: IOF soldiers are allowed to do everything in their power in order to prevent a capture.
Can see that back firing a little. If a soldier does have somewhere else to go (foreign passport) and the fighting on the front is bleak, will they flee or stay and risk being killed by their own side? It's got to be an incentive to leave for some. Some will be in it for the fight, but many settlers will be in it for an easier life. As soon as it's not the easier option, I would bet that many will leave.
Probably idf
Please Hezbollah do not stop at potshots...please
In Biden’s speech, he talked about how he spoke to Golda Meir when he was a senator and she told him “We have a secret weapon: we have no where else to go.”
They have a lot more places to go than the people of Palestine.
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That's not what I've been seeing with them all fleeing to Ben Gurion Airport to take the first flight back to the US lmao
Those videos make me laugh.
I see the situation as a Warsaw Ghetto Uprising situation. They aren’t meant to succeed. It’s a desperate measure to risk it all for a chance of survival, or die trying.
The Germans had more men who were experienced, veteran soldiers with tanks, and superior weapons; but the Jewish fighters still tried.
It’s a suicide mission, but they’ve accepted the costs. We can only hope for their success.
Coincidentally, I was just thinking about how the Jews in Axis‐occupied Warsaw and the Palestinians today have more common with each other than either of them have with the Zionist ruling class. Perhaps the Warsaw Jews and the Zionist ruling class are closer to each other in terms of heritage, but in what really matters—situations, experiences, circumstances, spirit—it’s no contest: the Palestinians and the Warsaw Jews may as well be literal siblings. As for the Zionist ruling class, personally I’d say that it’s far more akin to the Ottoman Empire’s anti‐Armenian rulers than to Warsaw’s Jews.
As a gentile I tend to be very reluctant to compare anything to the Shoah, and if we want to discuss the technicalities, then yes, the oppression of Palestinians is not a one‐to‐one copy of the Shoah. But at the end of the day, the technicalities hardly matter: the Palestinians remain victims of colonial atrocities. Atrocities similar to what the Native Americans, the Aboriginal Australians, the Armenians, the Libyans, the Ethiopians, the Roma, and others have faced in history. That’s why I made an image of the neocolonial flag with the fascio littorio on it: if anybody finds the comparisons to the Third Reich inappropriate (and I agree that there are important differences…as well as similarities), it would suffice to draw comparisons to another atrocious empire in history instead.
warsaw uprising was very different though, the government of poland was trying to establish an anti-communist government before the soviets got there.
The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising was a desperate effort and bloody uprising by Jewish partisans in 1943 in response to the Waffen SS liquidating the ghetto and executing anyone who still remained.
The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and Warsaw Uprising were two different events nearly a year apart.
Yeah I know, I just didn't see 'Ghetto'
sorry
All good, we all make mistakes like that. I’ve typed out whole responses to people and then go back only to realize I missed the point lmao
Warsaw ghetto uprising not Warsaw uprising. 2 separate things.
oh fuck yeah dammit, didn't see that
Hezbollah in Lebanon exchanged fire with Israel https://www.barrons.com/news/lebanon-s-hezbollah-says-it-fired-shells-guided-missiles-at-israel-f2316a1b
So, the most important answer we have so far to your question is that this appears to have been a massive victory for Palestinian counter-intelligence. If they managed to plan, prepare, and execute this without Israel or any of the 5 Eyes seeing it, then it tells us something profoundly important.
There are second order implications if this is true. The most important second order implication is that if their counter-intelligence is truly that good, then they're unlikely to have only used it to plan an initial strike. If your counter-intelligence is working that well, then it becomes possible to prepare and plan multiple moves into the future.
Another second order implication is that it is likely that Palestinian counter-intelligence did not develop on its own but instead with support from other actors. That would imply the existence of alliances that are providing some kind of support.
If both of those are true, then the second and third moves that are planned likely involve support from allies. That could be exit routes, it could be material support, it could be geopolitical support through diplomacy, sanctions, and threats.
A lot of this hinges on the assessment that Israeli and 5 Eyes intelligence failed here. If it did, then we are at the beginning of a longer unfolding of events and need to watch carefully to understand what's going on because if the West failed in this way, the propaganda is going to focus on hiding this failure and its implications.
Media over here already declared it a massive fuck up from Israeli and allied intelligence agencies. I think they actually did mess up. Which, for them, is a pretty worrying sign.
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I am worried about world war as well. Maybe even more than with Ukraine.
I wouldn't worry that much, Netanyahu is a tool.
I highly doubt Netanyahu will have enough spine to do something so stupid.
I mean, look at Cuba, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Lebanon etc. Besides, Palestine has Iran, Syria, Lebanon and many more allies.