This is the big difference between online spaces and real life. Online you just leave or start shit. If it's the only org in your area, stick around and try to share your point of view. Brush up on what identity politics means to you, and why they are important. If you are pushed out, you're pushed out. But really the onus is on you to fix it. That's what "getting organized" means.
you may not yet have all the language, sources, quotes, theory, etc down so well you can pontificate at length using verifiable history as a backdrop for your argument or whatever
but youre still right, and theyre still wrong, and at the end of the day what changes peoples minds isnt what some long dead person said, its being confronted by someone that tells them otherwise in the here and now
edit: to anyone that gives you shit about spouting off when you arnt a long standing so and so of whatever org i say
"to hear incorrect views without rebutting them and even to hear counter-revolutionary remarks without reporting them, but instead to take them calmly as if nothing had happened. this is a sixth type of liberalism.
to be among the masses and fail to conduct propaganda and agitation or speak at meetings or conduct investigations and inquiries among them, and instead to be indifferent to them and show no concern for their well-being, forgetting that one is a communist and behaving as if one were an ordinary non-communist. this is a seventh type of liberalism.
to see someone harming the interests of the masses and yet not feel indignant, or dissuade or stop him or reason with him, but to allow him to continue. this is an eighth type of liberalism."
Thank you for your help. I will learn more and try to have a sound argument before i try to speak with them about it. If it failes at least i have tried.
to add to what cripyhexagon said, you don't even have to talk about broader leftism or argue anything at all. talk about your personal experience and what left politics mean to you and why you want to be involved. obviously if you don't feel comfortable enough, you don't feel comfortable enough, but it's a real opportunity to have your voice heard and I do think you should try to step out of your comfort zone. You might like it.
This is the big difference between online spaces and real life. Online you just leave or start shit. If it's the only org in your area, stick around and try to share your point of view. Brush up on what identity politics means to you, and why they are important. If you are pushed out, you're pushed out. But really the onus is on you to fix it. That's what "getting organized" means.
It's just hard, I don't think I,as someone kinda new to leftist thought, am ready argue with people who do this stuff for a living.
being new is not an impediment to being right.
you may not yet have all the language, sources, quotes, theory, etc down so well you can pontificate at length using verifiable history as a backdrop for your argument or whatever
but youre still right, and theyre still wrong, and at the end of the day what changes peoples minds isnt what some long dead person said, its being confronted by someone that tells them otherwise in the here and now
edit: to anyone that gives you shit about spouting off when you arnt a long standing so and so of whatever org i say
"to hear incorrect views without rebutting them and even to hear counter-revolutionary remarks without reporting them, but instead to take them calmly as if nothing had happened. this is a sixth type of liberalism.
to be among the masses and fail to conduct propaganda and agitation or speak at meetings or conduct investigations and inquiries among them, and instead to be indifferent to them and show no concern for their well-being, forgetting that one is a communist and behaving as if one were an ordinary non-communist. this is a seventh type of liberalism.
to see someone harming the interests of the masses and yet not feel indignant, or dissuade or stop him or reason with him, but to allow him to continue. this is an eighth type of liberalism."
:mao-shining:
Thank you for your help. I will learn more and try to have a sound argument before i try to speak with them about it. If it failes at least i have tried.
to add to what cripyhexagon said, you don't even have to talk about broader leftism or argue anything at all. talk about your personal experience and what left politics mean to you and why you want to be involved. obviously if you don't feel comfortable enough, you don't feel comfortable enough, but it's a real opportunity to have your voice heard and I do think you should try to step out of your comfort zone. You might like it.