Sellout was a bit loaded but I meant that more that that’s how some people talk about them.
I don’t consider social Democrats socialist. None of the “socialist” American politicians are socialist. They are capitalist who want more social programs that’s why they’re “social” democrats.
That’s what I meant by “it’s not really selling out.” Cuz they’re not, they’re doing exactly what you’d expect them to do.
And that’s perfectly fine. But it’s reasonable and expected that socialists, who want worker control, to not like it when a capitalist does capitalist things (like supporting capital and imperialism) and we shouldn’t give them a pass simply bc they like social programs. We’re allowed to call them out for stuff like that.
Not every way people do it is above board or the best way but I think it’s silly to say “we’re not gonna criticize socdems” it’s the same energy as liberals putting their candidates above criticism for equally “pragmatic reasons”
Sellout was a bit loaded but I meant that more that that’s how some people talk about them.
I don’t consider social Democrats socialist. None of the “socialist” American politicians are socialist. They are capitalist who want more social programs that’s why they’re “social” democrats.
That’s what I meant by “it’s not really selling out.” Cuz they’re not, they’re doing exactly what you’d expect them to do.
And that’s perfectly fine. But it’s reasonable and expected that socialists, who want worker control, to not like it when a capitalist does capitalist things (like supporting capital and imperialism) and we shouldn’t give them a pass simply bc they like social programs. We’re allowed to call them out for stuff like that.
Not every way people do it is above board or the best way but I think it’s silly to say “we’re not gonna criticize socdems” it’s the same energy as liberals putting their candidates above criticism for equally “pragmatic reasons”