• volkvulture [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      animals & other living things are killed all the time in the production of food both unintentionally and intentionally... killing agricultural pests & removing predators & varmints on farm land are both key to successful harvests

      but fantasizing about what choices the consumer can look forward to in the vegan "free market" is itself commodity fetishism, except we are patting ourselves on the back for engaging in it.

        • ButtBidet [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          There's this scientifically questionable idea that more field mice are hurt than livestock animals. Assuming this is true...

          If you eat a pig that had a grain to mean conversation ratio of 8 to 1, or a cow that's like 20 to 1, won't less field mice die if we eat the plants directly? You realize that most grain in the US goes to feed livestock, right?

          Edit: "won't less field mice die if we eat the plants directly. OMG I feel dumb

        • volkvulture [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          growing plants kills many animals, as well as the plants

          if we're concerned about things dying, then I think the best choice is to not eat

                • volkvulture [none/use name]
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                  4 years ago

                  i am not talking specifically or only about plants, but organisms in general. But I am talking specifically about death & sustenance of life & how the two are inextricable... which in this spiritual & ethical sense might, in the most profane way, be the only real liberation for any living thing

              • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
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                4 years ago

                Congrats, you defeated the strawman vegan. Would you like to face off against a strawman campus SJW next?

                • volkvulture [none/use name]
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                  4 years ago

                  defeated? i thought we were only discussing how this isn't about personal aesthetics & individual consumerist flights of fancy