https://novaramedia.com/2017/03/12/who-gets-sick-from-yellow-fever-what-carceral-feminism-does-not-see/

  • Corbyn [none/use name]
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    Well, the article does not claim this number. The author simply says "During my time working at the Seoul Rape Crisis Center, one of the more well-established response service in Korea, I saw how yellow bodies silently absorbed this cost: sexual assault of Korean women by white men, mostly American, constituted at least a third of the Center’s cases.", which is far different from what this screenshot suggests.

    • thethirdgracchi [he/him, they/them]
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      Yeah the claim is a bit different, but that number is still insane. 1/3rd of sexual assaults of Korean women are by white men at Seoul's largest rape crisis centre. That's a hefty number.

      • Corbyn [none/use name]
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        Yes, but we can't even confirm if this is true. And if it would be, what are the exact numbers? You call it the "largest rape crisis centre" in Seoul, based on what? The quote says "one of the more well-established response services", whatever that means. I can't even find any place with the mentioned name. The whole article is trash and following a pretty clear agenda, without ever providing any actual evidence.

        • thethirdgracchi [he/him, they/them]
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          Seoul Rape Crisis Cente

          Sorry, you're right that it's potentially not the largest, just one of the largest. I fail to see how the article is trash; all articles "follow a pretty clear agenda" because that's why things are written. I imagine it's hard to find online because it wouldn't be in English. My guess is it's this or something like this. http://crisis-center.or.kr/

          Regardless, to dismiss this article as "trash" seems a bit heavy handed. What about the "agenda" do you disagree with? Sexual violence by white American men who go over to parts of Asia for specifically sex tourism as a well documented and accepted fact. What part of that violence extending to South Korea is unbelievable to you?

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            My guess is it’s this or something like this. http://crisis-center.or.kr/

            Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. The fact that the only seemingly factual information given also ends up being guesswork is why I dislike it so much.

            What about the “agenda” do you disagree with?

            If the goal was to explore the issues of white men exploiting and raping women in Korea, then I don't disagree necessarily, even though I disagree with trying to prove your agenda instead of trying to disproof your beliefs and the bias coming with it, which is what the whole thing feels like. My biggest issue with this article is that it makes a lot of broad claims, and oversimplifies Korean society, but never even attempts to back anything up.

            Let's take this paragraph as an example:

            So white bodies, hot with yellow fever, come to the city in search of wild Korean girls; yellow bodies seek whiteness. These two axes of desire, however, are never equal because their mobility is not equal. The mobility of whiteness means that white bodies can wade through borders freely with no consequence. To these white bodies, Korea is never the destination; it is a stop off. They travel, make easy money, observe the culture, and indulge in their vices–experiences that enrich and entertain, but never quite change them. The retention of whiteness always enable them to return to themselves, to pick up their lives where they left off. Korean women do not share this mobility, nor the retention. Constrained by borders, racism, and language, they cannot move freely; their immobile bodies absorb the cost of whiteness.

            Besides me hating the choice of words, "yellow bodies", "white bodies", why would "whiteness" inherently grant mobility and why are Korean women unable to leave the country? Based on passports, they have one of the most powerful ones, they live in one of the richest Asian countries and generally receive good education. Why can't they move freely? Which borders are limiting them, and how does racism prevent them from moving? There have been millions of Koreans who have moved abroad, how was their situation differently? Is this caused by immense social inequality and is she talking about poor women who have no other hope to make money? Are there any numbers to show the extend of the problem she is talking about?

            The normalization and prevalence of sexual violence against Korean women by white men demonstrate the material consequence of the unequal distribution of mobility.

            Where is this normalisation coming from? How is it being normalised? Is she still talking about that one time she overheard two dumb Americans partying, which still feels to me like the sole reason she wrote this.

            The Rape Crisis Center’s record quantifies this kind of assault as a third of its annual cases, but I wonder what the recorded incidents amount to and how many go unrecorded.

            I guess she has no clue either...

    • MiraculousMM [he/him, any]
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      Yeah it's not a hard statistic. The meme just has great potential for pissing off chuds.

      • Corbyn [none/use name]
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        Slightly annoying people, while using false numbers you have no way to back up, is quite counter-productive. Piss off chuds by proving them wrong instead.

          • Corbyn [none/use name]
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            Let's all share trash-quality writing and false statistics so we can slightly annoy chuds while also ensuring that we strengthen their bullshit positions and beliefs. Let's create an even more toxic discourse instead of just annoying or convincing them with correct numbers. You are asking to confirm their world view instead of challenging it, because it is easier. Just because those people won't immediately accept truth that challenges what they believe in does not mean that it won't affect them. Be less American, thanks.

  • Puggo [he/him]
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    Wonder how many of those men are also in the US military, stationed in South Korea

    • Lava [none/use name]
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      I'm gonna guess that this is literally because

      A) it's easier to report an ethnic minority for rape and not receive societal repercussions

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      B)These white men are goddamned US military

    • 5HT [he/him]
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      I mean, ethnonationalists would welcome these news, and use it as an argument to justify their views.

  • MoralisticCommunist [he/him]
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    White people like to think that other people will be reverse racist against them, when for the most part people of color will worship white people. The legacy of colonialism and imperialism has made whiteness the dominant mode across the entire world, and this must be combated in order to end internalized racism and end Western imperialism

  • thethirdgracchi [he/him, they/them]
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    I am astounded by that number. Goes to show that the project of whiteness and rape (ie power) are intertwined.