What kind of electoralism is it, proletarian or bourgeois, idealist or materialist? Do they declare solidarity with the occupied third world, or do they sympathize with the naval gazing narcissism of the first world labor aristocracy?
The fact that Bad Faith believes "self driving cars are the future" and "we can go full clean energy without fossil fuels" tells us they're just merely woke liberals who don't know about the effects of resource extraction. How can you be a Marxist with less of an understanding of basic physics than papa Karl? It's impossible to be a materialist if you're as delusional as the Elon Musk death cult redditors
I’m being purposefully draconian as a joke // “Brie the welfare queen” probably wouldn’t hit as well (I say this as a black woman who grew up on welfare)
It’s the dunk tank we dunk here on the edgy dirt bag left website named after podcast hosts who say slurs
Also yes ppl shouldn’t have to have jobs but people shouldn’t also just sit on their mass wealth while other people are exploited, and make judgements about how the people being exploited are handling their exploitation
Fortunately I have a solution: Brie, go work some service job where people aren’t wearing masks and get some perspective instead of moralizing over poor black people like me
Another one: Brie, literally join any local movement (having a DSA card in your Kate spade wallet doesn’t count) and use the ample amount of time and financial security you enjoy to help out.
Also : Brie your boyfriend is currently union busting and harming his black and brown support staff comrades and you should probably focus on that instead of demanding to speak to the manager of the DSA
If you're going to rip on other leftists, don't make shit up about them or use right-wing talking points that are dunk-worthy themselves.
I think you’re reading a little deeper into this than it needs to be
Yeah, I guess you're right. Lying about other leftists is OK. Attacking them with drivel you'd hear on Fox News is great. This is a perfectly acceptable way to treat people working towards socialism, and misguided infighting has never been a problem within the left.
Carry on -- I'm sure this bullshit will bring the revolution any day now.
Bro calm down nobody is lying here and you’re freaking out. This is the internet ..... dare I say you’re engaging with what I wrote in extreme bad faith
Also Brie is not some vaguard figure working towards socialism by talking into a mic. I know everyone has their role but she’s literally just a person with way more money than you bro
Claiming a person has "mass wealth" when they don't is a lie. Having some baseline level of respect for your comrades -- like not lying about them and baselessly attacking them -- is essential to any socialist project. Do you want to build solidarity and get something done, or do you want to shit in each other's Cheerios on the internet?
There is zero possibility of any socialist project getting off the ground unless we convince millions more people to become leftists. What role would you say media plays in politics? Do we need more leftist propaganda out there, or less?
I shouldn’t have said “mass” but like it’s okay and not something to freak out over. The point I was trying to make stands: she got money . But this is nowhere near towards being some weird targeted maliciously lie like relax// people misspeak all the time
I don’t even care about this chick that much but I thought I’d share my tea
And we definitely need media but I still think your overstating the importance of this random podcast. As someone who is an organizer we need a lot more bodies out there trying to help out rather than just speaking about issues
And shitting on Brie isn’t some mass leftist infighting that’s gonna kill the movement. I thinks she sucks and that’s ok
Next you'll be telling me about Bernie's three houses. This is reactionary nonsense, nothing more.
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Tell me how "she has financial security so don't listen to her" is any different from "Bernie has three houses so don't listen to him."
Please stop messaging me. Your fixation is becoming weird. You should probably think about how you’re engaging with people on here!
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The dude you're replying to is probably PMC or petit boug shithead himself. FWIW you're right in many ways. Obsessive focus on electoralism and moralizing is petit boug nonsense. Brie is a petit boug herself. Regardless of how much money she makes, her relation to production is what determines her class and her conciousness. Marx wrote a lot about bourgeois socialism, how certain sections of the bourgeoisie want better conditions for the workers so that capitalism is stabilized and the threat of revolution is minimized. There is nothing revolutionary about Brie, her ideas and her actions.
Wait what the fuck can I get a source on this??
The source is me who worked with her boyfriend
Source: just trust me bro
Given the fact that 10000 people on twitter viscerally hate BJG, the fact that this hasn't been shouted to the rooftops from there makes it pretty clear it's a distortion.
We need to clamp down on textbook wrecker shit like "this person who is very publicly trying to help is secretly awful, just trust me bro." People should have at least something to back that sort of accusation up.
No :freeze-peach: for utterly baseless attacks
Lol. I was a huge BFG stan until the Force the Vote thing. She has shown her ass on this one, she's not a socialist. She's a progressive liberal, and that's fine but I'm tired of sharing left spaces with progressive liberals.
You guys can hang out with the neoliberals, they are closer to you ideology. Stop trying to pretend to be us.
I have never once cared about any aspect of the force the vote campaign and you can't make me.
You're gonna make me tap the sign
Exactly and she's spent how long on it? Once she started with that, I was done listening to anything she put out. Her interview with Wolff was so painful to listen to because of her inability to accept she was wrong.
Also, you're going to have to start actually saying why you're a socialist, what it means to you, otherwise you are just a lib and your sign won't protect you.
Being wrong about a particular strategy or disagreeing with Richard Wolff are not red lines that disqualify anyone from the socialist left. I don't understand this notion that someone is obligated to accept they're wrong without understanding why. That's not how beliefs work, at least not my beliefs. I accept that I'm probably wrong about 90% of things, I still think all the things I think are correct. Otherwise I'd think something else.
From what?
Nobody knows who her boyfriend is because she’s not public about it. it seems like a weird thing to make up for needless internet points in a small site but do you
Uhhh, yeah.
You’re being a dick
I have an explicit carve-out for my annoyingly affected twee "nice to everyone and mails jam" personality that applies to people who without any self-awareness try to moralize what at a base level are trivial aesthetic considerations.
Well you did it. You were needlessly mean to make a point. Congrats. I used to think you were a really cool user here....
I mean isn't that pretty much exactly what you were saying is okay to do up thread? That is unironically how I read it.
Oh so you were rude in retaliation! Thanks! Makes so much sense now!
Let me see if I cant try this again with the annoying affectation back on.
I do genuinely think we should be a lot more charitable to people working to further the goals of leftist politics, even if we strongly disagree with their methods and takes, because in the end we're all fallible and could end up being wrong. So when I see perceive that charity is not being extended, either in a mean-spirited or gossipy sort of way (which is how I read your), it does raise my hackles.
I have unironically thought about it as a "no first use" type policy before, but then again I'm not sure about the wisdom of analogizing nuclear strategy to interpersonal conversations.
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Hope you have this same energy for every "leftist" podcast including Chapo and Trueanon who rake in more a year than 95% of anyone here will ever make in their lives
Oh I absolutely do!!
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