Deepfakes are getting good. People complain about these being used for propaganda, while ignoring the giant piles of propaganda around us all, all the time, from every direction to maintain the status quo.

Like, sure, ban or label deepfakes, or whatever. But by that logic, you'd have to ban CNN

  • DrRobotnik [he/him,any]
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    4 years ago

    I’m less worried about actual deepfakes and more worried that the default posture is going to become “everything I don’t like is deepfaked”

    • GnastyGnuts [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      members of my family already do this with news they don't like or agree with, and they don't even know about deepfakes yet.

    • Azarova [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      It's already beginning to happen. The more fanatic among the trumpers seemed to think some of his last videos as president were deepfakes.

    • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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      4 years ago

      I mean, get into an argument online with anyone and there's a better than even chance that you'll be called a bot or a shill or some other secret agent of some nefarious force (or maybe you're the one who will have a sneaking suspicion that your interlocutor works for the CIA). unreality is the default setting of the internet. the only solution, and I'm sorry to sound like a broken record, is to log off.

        • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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          4 years ago

          idk if you're being facetious, but the argument I'm trying to make is that reducing humans to disembodied posts plus a profile pic necessarily engenders paranoia distrust, and yea alienation.

  • crime [she/her, any]
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    4 years ago

    I'm not sure if it's more unsettling or less unsettling because it's Tom Cruise, who's already the human embodiment of the uncanny valley

    • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      It would be amazing if this was actually Tom Cruise just fucking with people as some sort of Scientology stunt or something.

  • Phish [he/him, any]
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    4 years ago

    It's simple, just believe nothing and trust nobody. Except me. You can trust me.

  • epic_gamer_2007 [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    if i wasn't told that these were fakes, i would probably just assume tom cruise was being weird. deepfakes are fuckin crazy

    • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
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      4 years ago

      We desperately need deepfaked leftist Trump, like right now.

      "Folks, the bourgeoisie, they're no good, more and more people are saying this!"

      • Orannis62 [ze/hir]
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        4 years ago

        Folks, the bourgeois, they're no good, more and more people are saying it. All these workers— the biggest, we have the biggest workers— very handsome workers come up to me and say, Comrade Trump there is a specter haunting Europe, and you know what, they're right. These bourgeois are very nasty people, very very rude, and very unfair to the workers. They are stealing our surplus value and no one is doing anything about it. The proletariat comes up to me every day and says, Comrade Trump will you lead the revolution? And I gotta turn to them and say look, the instruments of capitalism will be used to bring about its destruction, believe me. The means of production, Obama never wanted to seize them. Well guess what? I'm seizing them. Landlords? They're done for folks. Everyone told me— they said, Comrade Trump you won't be the vanguard of the revolution and they would laugh, the media laughed the democrats laughed, guess who's laughing now?

        And then you have these capitalists, those are real beauties! This is their new hoax- they take a piece of machine, a big beautiful shiny new means of production, and they buy it and y'know, they own it, it's a big beautiful shiny new machine, all the bells and whistles, bing bing bing, and then they have the workers- who are totally not being treated fairly in this country, folks, BELIEVE ME, totally exploited, and they have these workers-and they pay them a certain amount, could beee... $20 per hour, could be TEN, could be FIVE, could be TWELVE, they pay them a certain amount, okay, and with their labor they build the product.

        And the owner of the machine, of the capital, "Capitalist" they turn around and sell the product at a yuge markup, they call it "profit." ok, so they call it profit! They don't sell it at the cost it took to make it, okay, so what do they do with this extra, you know what I call it? I call it surplus value. I call it surplus value, and do they share the surplus value with the people whose labor PROVIDED the value it took to make that product? I don't think so, folks.

        They stick in a bank and then they say "ohhhh I can't afford to pay you more!" Bad- BAD people. It's totally phony, folks. Raw deal, our proletariat are getting a raw deal. But not for long! We're gonna- and by the way it never occurs the workers to pool their resources and buy the big beautiful machine in order to share the profit that they created in the first place with their labour! And you know why? Because the capitalists pay the workers such a low wage they can't afford to then invest and pool their money and share in ownership... of the means of production! Can't do it! This is the biggest scam on the planet, folks! Boy, I've heard some real beauties but that one, WOW, that's a doozy. That's a real beauty. But we're gonna fix it, folks, we're gonna fix it, okay? and you know what the laborers are going to do? They're gonna WIN.

        Folks, what we did in 1917–the Revolution I call it, with a capital R–it's never been done before. So many big beautiful red flags, you couldn't even–now that, folks, that's a flag we stand up for, we don't kneel for our terrific red flag–and you couldn't even see the Winter Palace, you know. You know the Mensheviks, you take a look at what they said, and they were a, uh, a failed party, and Renegade Kautsky, very nasty to me but that's okay, they said we couldn't do it! They said, "Oh, Vlad, the material conditions are bad, we have to have a bourgeois republic to develop the forces of production." You know what that means, right? Semi-feudal economy! Okay, you get Semi-Feudal, and I said, I told them we can't have Semi-Feudal. Well, look at where we are now, Julius. We are going to develop the forces of production so fast it'll make your head spin. We are going to do in a generation what it took them many, many years to do. BELIEVE ME.

    • TheCaconym [any]
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      4 years ago

      Can you confirm these are actually deepfakes ? even with actual expertise in ML I was expecting this kind of near-perfect level, even with a large learning base, not before like two years or so at least.

        • TheCaconym [any]
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          4 years ago

          Using a look-alike would make it simpler, yes, but there's no easily visible signs of transitions there. Again, as someone that research and work with this stuff even training a good state of the art model on all the Tom Cruise movies combined would still likely produce some artifacts, hence why I'm asking. Maybe that plus his public interviews and the like was enough, but it's still impressive if it's a deep fake.

  • GnastyGnuts [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    This is gonna escalate that epistemological crisis the Trillbillies talk about.

  • pubic_library [any]
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    4 years ago

    i believe we'll hit a point where humans can no longer derect what is real or isnt on the internet and stop using social media & viewing news all together.

    • Not_irony [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      We passed that point with 1997s action comic book movie Spawn but I take your point.

  • cilantrofellow [any]
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    4 years ago

    idk I wouldn’t say ban it. It’s not like the people who can already afford to do it anyway won’t still do it - Natsec, corporate espionage, what have you.

    If it’s out in the open people can understand to be suspicious.

  • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    With a Deepfake Tom Cruise we can finally achieve the dream of a mission impossible film which doesn't fund the church of Scientology.

  • ImaProfessional1 [he/him,comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    i just jumped right it, didn't even think about it until it ended. wow. they are getting good. the only thing that felt "off" was the timing of his laughs, thats it. not the quality. and the whole thing is surreal after you process it, but given a more polished "script", and this thing is perfect. wow.