EDIT: Thank you all so much for your thoughtful input. It means so much to me.

Hi, all. I'm looking to change my nasty tendency to be a sore loser, particularly when playing games. I tend to personalize losses that are of no consequence. When the game starts to shift against me, I often stop trying as hard because it feels hopeless. My partner is much more proficient at board games than I am, and I don't want this toxic trait of mine to make games less fun for us. What are some things you all tried to lessen this train of thought, if you've experienced it?

  • SchrodingersPat@lemmy.ml
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    11 months ago

    Losing gives you a chance to practice being happy for someone else. Remember board games especially are an excuse for you and a bunch of people you like to sit at a table and do something fun. If you can't find joy in simply playing a game, just take a moment to appreciate the joy and excitement of the people around you.

  • NevelioKrejall@ttrpg.network
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    11 months ago

    Two approaches. Mixed success with both.

    1. Choose games that don't make you feel bad. This can mean playing more cooperative games, or it can mean offering to referee or sit out games you know will just piss you off. For me, the chance of winning isn't appealing enough to outweigh the chance of ruining the game for someone else. It helps to identify what exactly it is about losing that makes you so sour. I have a hard time with games like Cards Against Humanity because the card combinations that are funny to me usually aren't funny to anyone else because they didn't go on the ADHD field trip with me to make those connections. It starts to feel like a popularity contest that I'm losing because my brain is wired wrong, and it's hard not to take that personally.

    2. Set different goals in the games you're playing, and define 'winning' for yourself based on those goals. I used to get annoyed every time my friends pulled out settlers of Catan. I would do what made sense to me each turn, but I'd always lose anyway either to random chance or just not having enough RAM in my brain. Even on the rare occasions I won I often wouldn't have fun with it because I spent so much of the game being frustrated. So I decided the only thing I cared about in the game was getting one of the bonus goals, usually 'longest road'. That was much easier to focus on, and it took all the pressure off me to win. After a while it became kind of a running joke.

    It's not perfect, and it doesn't happen in a vacuum either. Sore losers often have anger issues they're not dealing with (I know I did!) and figuring that stuff out will help in more areas of your life than just board games.

    Your mileage may vary.

    Good luck!

  • PointAndClique [they/them]
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    11 months ago

    I think you have all the elements you need to switch your attitude towards games, so first off, well done on having the awareness to identify the issue and to begin asking how to go about remedying it.

    Let's talk about competitive games first and the attitude towards winning and losing

    Recognise that you're not going to win every game. You may even lose some games that looked like a sure bet, and you may win some games that looked like a certain loss. This is the inherent fun in many competitive games - the outcome is uncertain. If you stop trying and self sabotage, the outcome will always be certain, i.e. it will always be a loss.

    If you recognise this, then every game is worth playing through to the end, and if your opponent is also decent, as most players are, they will recognise your efforts for trying your hardest.

    You can also put the shoe on the other foot. Imagine that you're playing a really close game and after battling hard, things have swung in your favour. You want to keep fighting through to the end to secure the victory. Imagine now that the opponent at this moment throws in the towel, and torpedoes the game. This hollows out your victory. Don't be that player. Try to empathise with your opponent as someone who equally deserves a chance to enjoy the game and compete for a worthy victory.

    Finally, learning how to turn a loss into a win is a skill in and of itself. Executing a comeback is sometimes more satisfying than a complete stomp, and more entertaining for all players of the game. You won't practice that if you check out as soon as the tide is against you, and you're depriving yourself of some more fun games.

    Now let's look at an attitude to improving your overall skill

    Some people take the attitude of looking at their long term skill as a player, and this may include their rank, win/loss ratio or season stats. Since they take a macro view, one loss may not detract from their long term improvement and helps put their temporary upset at losing into perspective. Even if you lose games on average, you can set yourself a target to strive for. The losses will still suck, but if you self sabotage then you also scuttle your long term goals.

    Part of this may be an approach of wanting to improve focussed skills within the game that don't rely on win or loss, per se, but will help build your overall proficiency. This may be perfecting your early game setup and speed, or your ability to execute on a particular strategy, or to lay traps for your opponent. Since I don't know what games you play I can't suggest what that would look like, I've just used general terms. You need iterations to work out what's effective, and a loss is useful information that a strategy, when followed through, may not be effective. If you don't learn from that then you may repeat the same mistakes, leading to more losses in the future.

    You may also take this as an opportunity to recognise shared mechanics across games, so that playing a game is a chance to improve at others, too. Does this game have a similar economy to other games you've played, or hand management, or push your luck elements.

    Now let's look at an attitude of enjoying the game for its own sake

    If you and your opponent are giving it your all, then sometimes the whole aspect of win/loss can dissolve away, and be replaced with sheer enjoyment of trying your hardest regardless of the outcome. Trying to wrack your brain when you're behind and wring out every possible mechanic or avenue for victory can be just as exhilarating as trying to hold onto a seemingly unassailable win. Trying to find that flow state where you don't care about the outcome is worthwhile, I hope you can seek it out.

    Finally, don't mourn your defeat, instead, celebrate your opponent's victory

    You tried every trick in the book, and they still won. Wow, that's impressive! After the initial sting of loss, congratulate your opponent and turn their victory into your own. Compliment their strategy! Ask them how they managed to pull off that trick on the third turn. Ask if they have any tips, or how they spotted the gaps in your plans. If they're a gracious winner, they will be happy to talk shop when the round is over. If you share in their win, you make up in some way for your loss, rather than doubling down on those negative feelings.

    This goes especially for boardgames or games where you know the other players and opponents. If they're your friends or family, then you should be happy that they're happy and they'll in kind work to assuage your upset in defeat rather than letting you sulk.

    I realised this because I play a lot of boardgames with a good friend, and as soon as the scores are tallied, the first thing we always do is congratulate one another for a good game and immediately turn to talking about how one another played and what we're going to try next game. It turns even a competitive game into a team effort where we're working together to eke as much enjoyment out of the game as possible, and push one another to try harder next round.

    So yeah, share the joy don't dwell on the woe, and you'll turn every win into something to be celebrated together.


    I won't talk to playing cooperative games, as other posters have addressed that. Putting yourself as a me/them into an 'us' game can divert your pastime to something more productive, but it may not break down your 'sore loser' problem enough that it wouldn't be an issue when you return to competitive games.

    If you want a good video, I like Otzdarva's explanation of how not to get 'tilted' in online games.

    • Deconceptualist@lemm.ee
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      11 months ago

      I've felt this way for a long time. The stress of competition and navigating other people made me feel grumpy if I was losing and maybe a bit arrogant when I won, and it brought everything down. So I said forget it. No more PvP, give me co-op or I'll just go solo.

      But recently a friend pulled me into his Magic: The Gathering group, a game I always thought I wouldn't like. They've all been very patient and encouraging about teaching me and another newbie how to play, providing all the cards, and just generally being excellent. Having a friendly and good-natured group makes it all feel so different.

      We're just having fun, there are no real stakes, and I like that. And even if I got more serious about planning my deck and competing, I feel like they would totally go along with that. Or it could stay as purely a reason to hang out and socialize, which is great and something I value a lot differently after the pandemic years.

  • NevelioKrejall@ttrpg.network
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    11 months ago

    Two approaches. Mixed success with both.

    1. Choose games that don't make you feel bad. This can mean playing more cooperative games, or it can mean offering to referee or sit out games you know will just piss you off. For me, the chance of winning isn't appealing enough to outweigh the chance of ruining the game for someone else. It helps to identify what exactly it is about losing that makes you so sour. I have a hard time with games like Cards Against Humanity because the card combinations that are funny to me usually aren't funny to anyone else because they didn't go on the ADHD field trip with to make those connections. It starts to feel like a popularity contest that I'm losing because my brain is wired wrong, and it's hard not to take that personally.

    2. Set different goals in the games you're playing, and define 'winning' for yourself based on those goals. I used to get annoyed every time my friends pulled out settlers of Catan. I would do what made sense to me each turn, but I'd always lose anyway either to random chance or just not having enough RAM in my brain. Even on the rare occasions I won I often wouldn't have fun with it because I spent so much of the game being frustrated. So I decided the only thing I cared about in the game was getting one of the bonus goals, usually 'longest road'. That was much easier to focus on, and it took all the pressure off me to win. After a while it became kind of a running joke.

    It's not perfect, and it doesn't happen in a vacuum either. Sore losers often have anger issues they're not dealing with (I know I did!) and figuring that stuff out will help in more areas of your life than just board games.

    Your mileage may vary.

    Good luck!

  • keepcarrot [she/her]
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    11 months ago

    I mostly just switched away from competitive games (as in, games where you're playing against other players). It is supposed to be a leisure activity, after all. I found I felt bad if I won (because I made my opponent feel bad) and felt bad if I lost.

    There's also the idea that the best board game experience is where all players had a good time. Paying attention to other players' needs might help reduce your own attention to your investment in the game.

  • Buffalobuffalo@reddthat.com
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    11 months ago

    At times I am a sore loser, it’s not that I care if I won or lost a game. What used to upset me was getting to a point in a game where you feel losing in inevitable and no decisions you can make will allow you to win. Yet, the game is not over it might have 30 minutes left.

    One thing to try is play different games. Monopoly is probably one of the worst games for this you can spend 2 hours slowly losing all your properties, just don’t play it. Personally I like games like ticket to ride, where a large part of the final score is hidden. Because you don’t know exactly where you stand the game it makes it easier to believe you have a path to victory, or at least not last place.

  • Vej@lemm.ee
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    11 months ago

    I see every game as a learning experience and a challenge. I enjoy games because I want to perfect my abilities. So treating every game as a learning experience is fun.