We have to do it. Some of us have to do it in different ways. Doing small things where you can is all well and good but literally none of us are making a single impact in capitalism by making different choices about how we're forced to participate in it. Focus on tearing it down together rather than picking apart individual choices because those individual choices still result in participating in capitalism.

  • Sphere [he/him, they/them]
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    4 years ago

    Vegans say this sort of thing a lot. But they also say that going vegan causes you to lose weight. I would be dangerously underweight if I lost even 15 pounds. So maybe don't assume it's genuinely viable for everyone?

          • Sphere [he/him, they/them]
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            4 years ago

            If you must know, I haven't been to a grocery store in over a year, and I don't prepare food for myself, which is, you know, kind of a key activity vegans need to perform for themselves.

            Anyway, I don't really want to continue this argument. I just wanted to point out that going vegan is not simply something everyone can do (despite being in full agreement on the morality of veganism), and I got a ton of shit from multiple people for it. As many others have said during this ongoing struggle session (which I have been studiously avoiding up until now), condescension is not a winning conversion strategy.

      • vorenza [any]
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        4 years ago

        Lol no. I completely reject the idea that you can’t go vegan because you’re worried you might lose weight, that’s really silly.

        That literally happened to me(vegetarian) and my nutritional levels dropped too. My doctor forced me back into eating at least some kind of red meat and fish, at least one of them each week. I tried my best to have a balanced diet while vegetarian, but it didn't help apparently.

        Edit: By the way i'm perfectly aware that mine is a rare situation and don't apply to everyone. Try going vegan/vegetarian if you can. I'm eating the minimum amount of meat just to keep myself healthy. If you don't feel like it, try reducing the amount of meat consumption. Every little bit helps. If you don't want to go vegan, don't go vegan, you're not forced to, and people who are trying to guilt-trip you have online poisoning.

    • star_wraith [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      But they also say that going vegan causes you to lose weight

      I have never heard a vegan say this. If you want to lose weight on a vegan diet, you can. If you don't want to lose weight, you don't have to. If you're eating a metric fuckton of cheese and fatty meats I mean yeah, maybe.

      • Sphere [he/him, they/them]
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        4 years ago

        You're presupposing that I can "bulk up" without being vegan, but I have never found this to be true. So I don't think imposing additional dietary challenges is going to help.

        • AlexisOhanian [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Switching to not eating meat will not cause you to drop a lot of weight.

          Meat isn't what causes people to gain weight, carbs do. And carbs are vegan.

    • LibsEatPoop2 [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Going vegan can help you lose weight if you want to because you have to reevaluate all the food you eat so you can make healthier choices. But if you don't wanna lose weight, you're not going to.

        • AlexisOhanian [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Then how is this complaint about veganism? You've manufactured an unrelated excuse to continue doing animal cruelty.

        • LibsEatPoop2 [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          i'm the direct opposite lol - going vegan hasn't made me lose weight at all.

    • nala [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I've never seen studies or anything about it, but I'm fairly sure that people who lose weight going vegan were overweight to begin with. Rice and beans don't have less calories than a steak.

      • rozako [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        There’s also A lot of people who lose weight when going vegan because they were going vegan for such a purpose or subconsciously have orthorexia. So it is an issue but their circumstances aren’t applicable to everyone if you pay attention to eating enough calories.