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THEY DIDN'T! THEY JUST DIDN'T VOTE! HOW IS THIS SO HARD TO GET? HARRIS LOST 11 MILLION VOTES! GET THIS THRU YOUR DENSE SKULL THEY JUST DIDN'T VOTE

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:nerd: it would be better under Harris because even though the west bank would be de facto annexed, it would still de jure not be

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If only Harris could have done something to win their vote. Too bad she had to campaign on doing genocide more than Joe does it.

Reading comprehension

Quit infantilising people for not sharing your point of view. People do not have to write out a long explanation for something that has already been explained, yet @AcidSmiley@hexbear.net did do so. That post has been up for a good amount of time, yet you decide to write this short and needlessly hostile response instead of engaging with her text. Either because you do not care about what you claim to care about or because you yourself lack basic reading comprehension skills.

It's a poor choice of words but it shouldn't be a difficult concept for supposed Marxists to understand that anyone can contribute to white supremacy, heteronormativity, and patriarchy.

That's not what is being said by ZL however. I wish you were able to continue this line of thought and investigate your own behaviour.

Alhamdulillah I missed the rest of this ,also TC69 seems like a smug condescending jerk

:yea: I don't really get the celebrity culture we have here for some posters

The price makes perfect sense though, once you account for consulting fees.

2 things to add

1. Feds can, like union organisers, work in teams. They'll have the fed who behaves like you've described - Trying to break things up and radicalise people - and there'll be another one who is the one who spots prime targets for the first one.

2. This is more of a mentality thing, it's more to beware of yourself and to be able to be critical of others. If someone is so shitty they might as well be a fed, then there is no difference between them and a fed, which means they are functionally one. Not all feds are actual feds. If a person exhibits the behaviour described above, then they are a fed even if they aren't employed by anyone to do it. Doing the work of feds, makes you a fed, wether or not you realise it.

They ask questions. Nice try :fedposting:

Literally all we asked for in the first thread was this and things just got worse from there

Honestly great idea

It isn't. You are defending your actions and explaining how we merely misunderstood you.
Whatever your intent, your action was to call the reader a white cishet man. Your attempt at clearing up that confusion does not make it much better to be honest. Now you're just calling people who enjoy it "very privileged". It's indicative of the same mindset. You are making your own judgement about a group of people you disagree with and cataloguing them into some group that allows you to feel good about thinking ill of them. You know nothing about that group of people. This statement is hurtful and ridiculous too. Here's one clear example why

Nobody thought you meant to intentionally misgender people. That's not why folks are pissed at you for writing that. They're pissed at you for the subconscious bias it reveals, and that is also why this isn't an apology. You're going for "I was misunderstood actually" instead of listening to what people are critiquing you for.

I think it's helpful. It's good to make sure there's no misunderstandings, and your sentiment shown here by asking a followup is kind hearted.

Here you go Mohammed, I write up a timeline of sorts
https://hexbear.net/comment/5621652

And it is just petty online drama, but @dustbunnies@hexbear.net has written some good words about how online spaces can be important and shouldn't just be disregarded as nothing worth worrying about
For you in your situation this must all seem even more ridiculous though. I'm sorry and embarassed that this is what is big on the site right now.

Thank you for this post. I can't say I agree with your reasoning and frankly I find your expanded explanation to be about as frustrating as your initial statement. However I've posted so much about all that stuff, the people who are interested in knowing what I think and my critique are well aware of it at this point.

I appreciate your apology, and I apologise for what I am about to say, but it does not feel genuine. I'm not trying to do some powerplay or something, and I've been told I need to apologise "correctly" before in my life and it's been incredibly hurtful because I did apologise "in the right way". I am in no way trying to do that to you right now, but I'm sure it can come off like that, but please trust it is not my intention. I just feel the need to explain how I experience your apology and why I experience it so.
It seems to me as though you still hold the same view of us as you did before, though you've phrased it better, and the issue is not language, but the viewpoint itself. @GamerGulag@hexbear.net Has put some of the issues into text already, I don't want to dig more into it, since I'd get too heated. It indicates to me that you have not actually taken to heart what was said in response to you. I am certain you wish the best for the place and you wish to move the site forwards, but I do not believe you've really done the self-crit necessary, because I do not get the feeling you understand what it is that should be critiqued.

Calling me privileged is frustrating. And you are. You are generalising a userbase, you are by that way calling each of us privileged. I am privileged, we all hold different privileges for sure, but using that as a dismissal is weak. I am disabled. I am unable to walk at times. I was suicidally depressed until recently. I lived for about $100 a month until 6 months ago when I finally got in a more stable situation. I think I might have undiagnosed PTSD from things that happened to me as a political activist. I am queer. I've been housing insecure before in my life, though thankfully that is a long time ago. How many more tickets do I have to tick off before I am sufficiently "not privileged" enough to be able to dunk without having to prostrate myself somewhere? Do I have to live in an active warzone for it to be acceptable, like other users do? Do I need to worry for the safety of my family, like other users do?

I agree there are things that should be critiqued about the tanks. I do not believe you are in a position to make those critiques.

I think you should step down as a mod. That would be a better indicator of self-crit to me.
I don't want you off the site, but I don't think you should be a mod.

edit: Also once again talking about worries of "a shadowy mod cabal" is incredibly frustrating. It's only those of you on the other end that talk about that. If you're gonna use your self-crit post to argue against critique, actually present the critique that has been leveled against you. That is not one of a "shadowy cabal" but one of a problematic mindset belonging to a cliquey group of mods. A clique is not a shadowy cabal, it's a group of shitty high schoolers.

edit: wrote more about how this isn't an apology

Hahahaha ah that was you! It was funny the first time, I just didn't remember it is all <3

thanks!
I've been told by the company that they were sold out for three days the first place they did it! I am so proud and happy about it

If it ends up being a place where people can't vote, but can just make sure they're at least heard, then that would be fine too. (though the other thing is preferable right now, if the aim is to grow the community and the community does grow, then at some point the direct democracy can become unwieldy. The federation votes seemed taxing to say the least.)
You're all doing a stellar job, I'm really happy to see it.

I don't feel like I should be a mod because I'm not always on the ball as far as understanding whats going on with Drama

tbh I think that is a good quality for (some) mods to have. Understanding drama means you are part of it in some way. It's good to have people that stay out of it and just step in when things get heated, no matter the context

The "megathreadization" kinda sounds like a description of various separate communities developing, which was what we sought to do back when we split up main. We imagined it would be individual comms, but instead it's individual mega threads. That's kinda cool honestly. I see it as a positive.

If you're interacting with someone in a hostile way "as a bit" and you're repeatedly asked if you're doing a bit, and you tell them no you're not "as a bit", then you just suck. That's not a bit, that's just being shitty. Even if it was a bit, it'd be a really shitty bit. Bits are supposed to be funny, and that's just shock-jock "oooh I'm so edgy" comedy.
I've had those interactions with her in the past. Big part of the reason why I blocked fakenews.

Please don't kill me for it

This scene, but with posting instead of phones

We've all just been reminded how frustrating and confusing the previous style of administration could often be but I think there was some overcorrection that occurred, which has led to a number of the issues we find ourselves facing now.

Yeah, as I wrote when carcosa stepped down, we've arrived at the current situation through the consequences of completely rational actions. Splitting up the mod teams made sense, being hands off made sense, making the mod log anonymous made sense, making the mod chat anonymous made sense, not having a vote makes sense (the federation votes were exhausting). Not having a big discussion makes sense.
I disagree with the rationale behind a lot of the actions, but each one was a thought through choice made after weighing pros and cons and calculating the risk of things turning sour. I'm really happy it sounds like there's being made some corrections, but I really hope no one is beating themselves up over past choices. The logic of what was decided is pretty clear (except fot TC69 coming back and her conflict resolution, but we do have a poweruser/celebrity poster problem and when you're seeing things from the admin/mod-side and you're talking to people like Melina then those things also seem rational.)
At the very least the decisions were well-intentioned and that should be remembered.