I have no idea the episode but one of my favorite podcasting moments was during radio war nerd when Mark brought up something Noah said and immediately John started complaining about how stupid he is and then mark was like oh apparently he’s a big fan of ours and John just had to immediately pretend to feel bad lmao. Noah is an all time dumb guy.
Ask them if there’s anything Biden could do to make them not vote for him. Just a yes/ no, don’t ask them for their specific red line.
If the say no- ask them how that makes them any different from Trump voters (they criticize his voters for following him blindly and the worst thing that can happen to them is being compared to a Trump voter.)
If they say yes; then it’s just degrees of difference from you and them.