I’ve read a bit about Stalin and I’ve never heard of these letters. A quick search hasn’t turned anything up—does anyone know where this comes from?
I’d like to be able to say something more substantial than “you’re wrong and don’t have sources.”
there is a long, long history of westerners just making up whatever shit about stalin and the ussr and it being uncritically accepted as fact
there is a long, long history of westerners just making up whatever shit
An entire multiple generations of the most gullible populous in world history.
Sounds like it's litterally just made up bullshit. Tell them that they beleive in the same made up bullshit trumpers do.
Might be based on someone misattributing Lenin praising Mussolini (in 1912 mind). Don't know what else it could be from.
Idiot schoolteachers who said the MR pact was an "alliance" and not just a delaying action by both sides. Stalin and Hitler hated each other as possibly the biggest geopolitical rivals in history hell bent on each others destruction (and with the nazis destruction of the slavic peoples). There was no room for admiration, just fire, steel and blood during the largest and bloodiest war in history
Stalin once sent Hitler a note that read "Do you like me?" and only had boxes marked "Yes"
Still think Communlism is cool?
He drew in a third "No" box and ticked that smh :deeper-sadness:
Only semi related but, Hitler banned all books about Marxism, Communism, and Bolshevism. This shows Nazism and Communism are incompatible ideologies, both seeking to destroy each other. They could not have been friends.
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Werent some of these also involved in that Business plot thing, that tried to make a fascist coup in the US?
Letter existed, but it’s usual nonsense, like yeah we have to cool down high tensions, hope Molotov-Ribbentrop pact will allow for peace (2 letters in 1939). Allegedly two letters in 1941 that German troops are just hiding from britain near ussr borders
wow I can't believe stalin tried to avoid a war against a fascist regime that openly wanted to exterminate the entire soviet population (and largely did so in the areas it occupied.) Did stalin's evil have no bounds???
Tbh, still not sure forcing that line in the internationale was productive, or even needed :shrug-outta-hecks: but excuse that troops are hiding from english near Poland is hilarious, civ tier diplomacy
but excuse that troops are hiding from english near Poland is hilarious, civ tier diplomacy
I'm a bit confused about what you are saying here.
You know, in civilization four (maybe?) when you amass troops near borders of another civilization, you’ll get some pop-up denounciation from that civ, and you can reply they are merely passing through or something similarly innocuous. Yeah, I’ve g*med in the past :sadness:
Oh lol I know that, I play Civ, but I'm not sure what the connection you made to WWII was, what specific event was it about?
Allegedly hitler send two letters to stalin roughly in January and may of 1941 (so 5 and 1 month before invasion), saying that German troops were training for the invasion of british isles, and were hiding from their spies/sabotage, and then, in may, that some generals might do something stupid and not react to provocations. I think in rise of third reich they are sourced from some german archive, and apparently zhukov has also referenced them
"I’d like to be able to say something more substantial than “you’re wrong and don’t have sources.” To be clear, you probably should be more willing to say that, since this is just bullshit with no sources, like so much anti-communist propaganda.
Still: https://web.archive.org/web/20210322082439/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/3223834/Stalin-planned-to-send-a-million-troops-to-stop-Hitler-if-Britain-and-France-agreed-pact.html
I think there are some documented comments by Stalin on Hitler's shrewdness in handling the SA purges and maneuvering his way into the Chancellorship against all odds. Stalin appears to have thought Hitler was at least a smart leader until he, you know, invaded Russia in the fucking winter. That's part of why Stalin was caught so completely off guard by Operation Barbarossa. He hadn't realized Hitler was an impulsive dumbass.
But no, Stalin did not admire Hitler, lol
invaded Russia in the fucking winter
Just a heads up that this is a meme that downplays the heroic effort of the Red Army in 1941. Germany invaded as soon as it was realistic to, in June. Spring was not viable because of roads turning into mud that is so debilitating there's a word for it, rasputitsa. The real blunder was that Hitler was under the impression that if you just "kicked the door in, the whole rotting structure would come down" and the campaign would be over before the winter set in. The winter helped slow the Wermacht but it was the Red Army's incredible resiliancy that stopped them.
Also, please don't say Russia when you mean the Soviet Union, the Soviet Union was made up of 15 republics, many of which suffered greatly during the war.
German's "invading in the winter" and Stalin was somehow "not expecting a german invasion " is reddit tier history.
I mean, Stalin literally retreated to his dacha and basically had a mental breakdown due to how much the invasion shocked him. For whatever reason, he felt certain that Hitler would not invade until the following spring. Other members of the government had wanted to make more defensive preparations but he refused.
And yeah, they didn't literally invade during the winter, but they did invade late enough in the summer that they were guaranteed to still be fighting in the winter, and the winter did end up being a hugely decisive factor in the war.
I'm sorry but Gkalaitza is right, this is reddit-tier history. There's so many other factors more important than the winter of 41/42. There was a huge logistics deficit in the form of trucks, trains, and rail before the invasion, which were only exacerbated by the invasion itself. The Red Army's ability to create new armies very rapidly to slow down breakthroughs was also a huge factor. Germany's view of the Red Army as an inferior military also played a huge role in how the invasion was planned and prepped for. This notion that the winter was hugely decisive implies that losing Moscow would've meant the surrender of the Soviet Union, which was never going to happen. The winter was certainly a contributing factor but it was not this miraculous event that saved the eastern front.
I apologize if I'm maybe coming off too aggressive but the "russian winter" meme is so often used to erase the efforts of the Soviet people and places undue credit on the weather stopping the Wehrmacht instead of the millions of Red Army soldiers and Soviet partisans who actually did stop them.
I think those other factors are less relevant to my point though. My point is about Stalin's misreading of Hitler's character and his disillusionment when the Germans invaded. Soviet strategists made much of the fact that a winter war would be brutal for the invaders (as did German strategists), and as far as I know, this is the primary reason why Stalin felt sure that Hitler would not invade as far into the summer as he did. Stalin did not think Hitler would place so many stakes on concluding the war so unrealistically rapidly. In reality, Hitler was known to stall decisions until the very last minute, then make a dramatic choice and refuse to change it. Stalin apparently thought he was more coldly rational than that.
The winter was certainly a contributing factor but it was not this miraculous event that saved the eastern front.
Do people really interpret it that way though? If they are, that seems like a separate problem, not anything inherently to do with the "invaded in winter" framing. I mean, would the Soviets have been able to drive the Germans all the way back to Berlin like they did without the onset of the winter? I don't think there's any problem with pointing to winter conditions as the thing that broke the brutal eastward grinding part of the war and reversed it in fairly spectacular fashion. If people are interpreting weather as magic, isolated from any broader historical analysis, that seems like a problem of historical illiteracy, not problematic framing.
stalim loved hutler so muched he collapsed his empire so they can spend more time together
