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Though he did clarify they don't have a worse police state than the US. He just both-sides it.
Edit - It's a law of hexbear that every discussion must turn into a struggle session. Especially if the discussion involves China.
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Though he did clarify they don't have a worse police state than the US. He just both-sides it.
Edit - It's a law of hexbear that every discussion must turn into a struggle session. Especially if the discussion involves China.
Police, like the state, have a class aspect to them, police in a proletarian state are different from those in a bourgeoise state.
Is China a proletarian state or a capitalist state in transition?
I'd argue that much of the "China Bad" rhetoric is purely projection by Westerners who can't conceive of a police force less draconian and brutal as it's own.
But, like, even Carl Xha periodically complains about the reactionary state of Chinese censorship. And then there's the various blue laws and nacro-laws common to nearly every post industrial state.
Whatever may be said of its peers, China certainly isn't the model for a leftist community defense force.
My take on China is that it's a proletarian state in a primarily capitalist system, which means that Chinas police and state as a whole are not fully proletarian in character due to the fact that the bourgeoise has a certain degree of influence it's interests are reflected in law and police.
But at the same time its obviously and meaningfully proletarian too and not solely dedicated to bourgeoise interests, as demonstrated by the crackdowns on corruption and flat out executions of the very most corrupt who take bribes or do other financial crime regardless of their wealth.
I think that still kinda remains to be seen. It is definitely not dedicated to western bourgeoisie interests. Being anti-colonial is necessary but not sufficient.
I have a hard time judging Chinese policing from behind a language barrier and a media barrier and a geographic barrier, so I could be wrong about everything. But it seems as though the state is more in line with FDR-Era state capitalism than a serious Marxist government.
To me at least, its activities in breaking up monopolies and the business empires of corrupt billionaires as well as flat out executing those who commit crimes shows that its not just hostile towards the western bourgeoise, but that it has its national bourgeoise on an increasingly tight leash, which is essential for the development of China. But I also understand if some people feel sceptical still that its differences point to a proletarian state, I guess it will just have to be seen how they continue onwards towards the 2050 date.
no.
modern police are an invention of capitalism. they serve to protect private property. a proletarian state doesn't have private property, and there would be no need to have a gang to protect it.
it sucks that china adopted the idea in the first place, and hopefully as they grow towards socialism they'll start to phase it out and replace it with something more inline with a community neighborhood watch.
To me this just sounds like deciding that the term police has a fixed absolute definition and that you have to change the name to something more complicated to make it good and acceptable under communism, theres no reason you can't just have a socialist/communist police force thats different from bourgeoise police forces, also theres the fact that a neighboorhood watch, while good for most crimes, is limited in scope and ability and theres still gonna be a use and need for an overarching force that can handle specialized issues and crimes that span more than just a community.
it's not changing the fucking name, it's literal replacement with something better. when people call to 'abolish the police' they call to abolish the fucked up system of an armed group of thugs that have impunity to law. cuba has 8 million people in their fucking neighborhood watch, and yes they still have a smaller force that handles specialized issues, but the fact that 80 percent of their population takes place in their neighborhood watch is what keeps their country the way it is, and is far more aligned with the idea of communism than having anything comparable to the police in the US.
Proletarian state can still have things that are in short supply that should be distributed according to the principles of common proletarian good. Some asshole stealing communal property might be less the ideal.
There are also non-property crimes, like crimes of passion and shit.
Yeah, a neighborhood watch isn't gonna be able to solve certain shit like a serial killer going around multiple places like Chikatilo, simply because you can't equip every neighborhood watch with extensive education in spotting patterns and building a profile, nor can you equip them all with forensic laboratories to analyse evidence(In theory you could but it's far less effective than having specialized forces who cover much larger areas but less overall crimes).