Elder Scrolls is literally the least "fash" fantasy out there. Yes, I am a huge fucking nerd, no I am not white, I'll see you in the comments mother fucker, I KNOW THE LORE! FIGHT ME!

  • CrookedSerpent [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    No, all the protagonists are just some person with powerful artifacts and some way of fighting, with the exception of the LDB, who is not just a person, but an actual dragon.

      • CrookedSerpent [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        To be a dragon is to be a pice of the Aka-oversoul (alduin, akatosh, auri-el, all lesser dragons) and the LBD does not have the soul of a man or mer or beast, but the soul of a dragon.

        • TeethOrCoat [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          Source? Where is this stated that the soul of a dragon is equivalent to a dragon? Azura's star might contain a giant's soul. Does that mean that Azura's star is a giant? No, it means that Azura's star is a daedric artifact which houses a giant's soul and not a giant itself.

          • CrookedSerpent [she/her]
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            3 years ago

            Me calling the LBD a literal dragon is just something I like to do, idk any in game source that does this.

            • TeethOrCoat [none/use name]
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              3 years ago

              So why would the dragon aspect shout exist then? Doesn't the existence of the shout show a divide between the LDB and a dragon? Same for dragonrend. Apparently no dragon can actually use dragonrend.

              • CrookedSerpent [she/her]
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                3 years ago

                Obviously there is a divide, the LBD has a mortal body, instead of a dragon body, wich allows them to comprehend mortality and use dragonrend and such, while also having its obvious drawbacks. I am of the belief that the "soul" as it exists in TES is what makes somebody who they are, not the body, and to some extent in real life as well. :thonk-trans:

                • TeethOrCoat [none/use name]
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                  3 years ago

                  Why are you of this opinion? What have you read in the lore that would lead you to the conclusion that the soul is the totality of a thing?

                  • CrookedSerpent [she/her]
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                    3 years ago

                    Idk if you noticed but like half the appeal of TES lore is the openness of the community/creators of the lore to just fill in the gaps with you own headcannon, I literally don't care about what is 100% cannon or not, if you do, that's cool, if your headcannon is different, thats cool too, mine is just better.

                    • TeethOrCoat [none/use name]
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                      3 years ago

                      I mean I get the headcanon part when it comes to fleshing out a particular player character, like whether or not they use bows. Isn't this supposed to be a technical thing in-universe?

                      • CrookedSerpent [she/her]
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                        3 years ago

                        We have to remember that there is no objective source of lore in TES. All the in game texts are written by an in universe person, so questions like "are dragonborns dragons" would be a debate in universe as well, so... Just headcannon it, its fun.

                        • TeethOrCoat [none/use name]
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                          3 years ago

                          Isn't what is not objective stuff like: whether the LDB became the Archmage of Winterhold, or became the leader of the companions? Stuff like the existence of Altmer, the LDB beating Alduin are 100% objective, no?

                          • CrookedSerpent [she/her]
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                            3 years ago

                            Not really. The games are just representations of the actual TES universe, weather the protagonists did particular quests, what race and gender they were, is left vague. Like obviously whiterun isn't 15 huts in universe, 90% of the population isnt bandits, and so on.

                            • TeethOrCoat [none/use name]
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                              3 years ago

                              Stuff like the existence of Altmer, the LDB beating Alduin are 100% objective, no?

                              Are the existence of high elves not objective?

                              • CrookedSerpent [she/her]
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                                3 years ago

                                In a sense, no, just as we could say the existence of birds is not 100% a given IRL. But, for the sake of communication, in real life and in TES it is safe to make assumptions about such things. But really, if you really care about 100% canonical constancy, than TES probably isn't for you.

                                • TeethOrCoat [none/use name]
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                                  3 years ago

                                  I don't care about 100% consistency; I've admitted that stuff like Archmage of Winterhold is left up in the air. There has to be a baseline consistency though, otherwise the universe would just be a nonsensical mess.

                                    • TeethOrCoat [none/use name]
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                                      3 years ago

                                      Earlier you said to another commenter:

                                      No, the dunmer’s skin was turned to ash (blueish-gray, and thier original skin color was gold-brown) for the tribunal’s betrayal of Azura at red Mountain (a volcano). Azura’s actions are not good (she is known for being venguful when slighted), the deities of TES are not the arbiters of morality in this universe, this is not in anyway an association of black skin with evil.

                                      The elder scrolls universe isn't a nonsensical mess because a certain baseline consistency is established. We both believe the dunmer exist, we both believe deities are not the arbiters of morality in the universe, we both acknowledge that dragonrend cannot be used by dragons. Even the soul as dragon thing you believe in is at least metaphorically sound. We aren't sitting here claiming that Nazeem single-handedly defeated Alduin at the Soul Cairn because such a claim would be so far off the base establishment.