https://twitter.com/ya1hor/status/1725556429115756567
https://nitter.net/ya1hor/status/1725556429115756567

Gulag for all trots immediately

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      8 months ago

      There's a shred of truth to it. Mahmoud Abbas and his cronies just kinda exists as a figurehead of a defunct state apparatus, getting state money to serve as the vestige of Palestinian self-governance. The PA plays Vichy France to Israel's full military occupation, while armed opposition is a French Resistance that's been operating without any hope of a Dunkirk on the horizon.

      And there's a shred of truth to the Israel proletariat being swept by the tide of national politics right along with the Palestinians (abet, far removed from the worst of it). The Israeli police were happy enough to assault some orthodox jews in Jerusalem for voicing dissent just two weeks ago. And this was after the effort at sweeping out an Independent Judiciary in Israel lead to riot cops and Israeli protesters clashing in the streets a few months back.

      Israel is a police state in every sense of the word. And while they lure Europeans in with the promise of free land, what they're truly hungry for is more young men and women to fill out the ranks of their armed forces. It is worth noting that you can be an Israeli dissident in the same way you can be a Palestinian collaborator.

      But OP's take pretends at parity, when it is abundantly clear where the lion's share of sentiment falls in either community.

  • lil_tank@lemmygrad.ml
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    8 months ago

    The Palestinian bourgeoisie lmaooo the LARPing as Marxists has never been so transparent. Literally 13 yrs old me trying to analyse everything as simplistic rich vs poor

  • porcupine@lemmygrad.ml
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    8 months ago

    "What if the peaceful colonizers and the peaceful colonized simply banded together to do a peaceful demonstration against violence?"

  • marx@lemmygrad.ml
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    8 months ago

    Whilst this is undoubtably a terrible take it should be pointed out that this is an article from 2010. I don’t think it was a good take then either but it is important to point out the context in which it was written.

    Here is a link to the full article: https://www.marxist.com/against-blanket-boycott-israel-working-class-solution.htm

    Sectarianism kills movements comrades. Anecdotally having been on marches and actions in London over the past month both Socialist Appeal (the local IMT branch) and the SWP have had a huge presence in support of Palestine. We must remember first and foremost to focus on solidarity and action in support of our Palestinian brothers and sisters, not on ideological purity.

    • ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml
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      8 months ago

      It’s by the founder of the canadian chapter, who btw was only just kicked out after 20 years of being a sex pest, not for dogshit political positions like this one. I’ll be kind to trots when they do something besides show up to protests and marches they had 0 hand in organizing to hand out pamphlets that no one reads (thats what IMT does here anyways$

    • doccitrus@lemmygrad.ml
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      8 months ago

      Interestingly to me, and aside from the positions of the IMT (do they support BDS today?), some dissident Israelis like Shlomo Sand used to oppose BDS on similar grounds, advocating instead for change from within. Sand has said he had to give that notion up in the face of reality, that Israeli society is simply too racist to change or be overturned except with massive pressure from without. (That's perhaps an idealist reading of the reality, confusing symptom for cause.)

      I think he says it at some point in this interview. Apologies if I've misremembered the source! If anyone watches, they can let me know. :)

  • ButtigiegMineralMap@lemmygrad.ml
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    8 months ago

    What rights do the Palestinian bourgeoisie hold currently? Still being alive? Because honestly this is a genocide, kinda tough to be resting on your bourgeois laurels when your family and friends and your house are being bombed.

  • redtea@lemmygrad.ml
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    8 months ago

    Lots of ableism in the replies there. It kinda jumps out when you get used to not seeing it around here.

    • ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml
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      8 months ago

      International Marxist Tendency, one of the biggest trot orgs. They go by different names in each country typically, it’s called “fight back” in canada for instance

      • ShiningWing@lemmygrad.ml
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        8 months ago

        Oh that's what Fightback is? I remember hearing about that party having a sex pest scandal around the same time the Communist Party of Canada was having one, but I didn't really know anything about them

  • TheLepidopterists [he/him]
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    8 months ago

    pika-pickaxe

    EDIT: also I could a sworn HB had a comic strip Ramón Mercader emoji but I guess not