The message of Inglourious Basterds is that killing Nazis is very awesome and good and we should do more of it
I love that the movie even punishes the main nazi, even though he's supposed to be the "good" one who makes a deal with the good guys and surrenders on peaceful terms. Movie is like nope. He's a fucking nazi forever.
So many people seem to miss that. Ok! So the Nazi is brave! That's great! Also still a fuckin nazi.
:bonk:
The bizarre adoration and misunderstanding of concepts like honor really get to me.
Like dude, he actively enabled nazis and was a nazi. There's no honor in that existence just because you decide to arbitrarily apply principles.
That's why I like Brad Pitt's character. Hans Landa is educated, speaks like 5 languages, is principled, and even offers mercy a few times. He even completely betrays the Nazi high command and allows them to get burned alive in the movie theater. Aldo does not care. Carves a swastika in his stupid nazi face anyway, because he's a fucking nazi.
Didn't Tarantino explicitly say that movies like Inglorious Basterds and Django Unchained were meant to right history and the whole point is it's meant to be a cathartic experience where you get to see the bad guys get their just desserts?
i mean, death of the author or whatever, but yes. hitler and his henchmen literally burn to death from the celluloid -- it's a declaration of the power and righteousness of art.
as the work itself says, its his masterpiece.
The bear jew character beat an unarmed character who deservingly had a medal for bravery in cold blood, while everyone else cheered.
That is fucked up behaviour that has no excuse.
brb, heading to Tito's grave with a defibrillator
this is what can happen to your brain when you are an idealist who believes that character traits like "bravery' 'honor' or 'honesty' have value independent of the situations they are applied in.
Bravely fighting for the nazis doesn't give you brownie points. In fact, cowards who fled from combat because they were afraid of dying are far more moral in their behavior.
edit: reminds of when 9/11 happened and people kept saying that the hijackers were "cowards". voluntarily going on and carrying out a suicide mission is objectively brave (the opposite of cowardice). But if you think that bravery has moral value independently of the specifics of the situation, then you'd have to conclude that the hijackers were behaving morally in at least one sense, and of course, thinking that would make you anathema. So you have to say they were "cowards" even tho it is incoherent.
but sorry, bravery doesn't have moral value independent of the situation it is applied in
Figures that the one time he gets punished, it's for saying something actually correct.
lol the whole point is how fucking pointless all of that shit is when you are fighting for a genocidal fascist state and finally get punished for your crimes, that scene is so fucking beautiful. Tarantino starts playing this Morricone shit like its a wild west showdown of bravery and ideals, the nazi gets to brag about how brave he is and then just as the music swells he gets fucking clocked in the head with a baseball bat, no music, just hollering in joy at smashing in this worthless nazis fucking brains, he probably shat himself just to add to the humiliation. Amazingly based.
The whole point of inglorious basterds is "we are, in real life, showing how much better our cinema is than Nazi cinema."
The climax of the film is the nazi cinema(the actual physical place run by a Jewish woman in hiding, commenting on "yeah even Nazi cinema cannot divorce itself from wider cultural roots, which historically had a lot of Jewish people in cinema" )being utterly obliterated by badass Jewish fighters ffs.
People misread it as "oh both sides are the same" but both sides are doing the same thing (produce movies) one side just kicks the others ass at it.
LOl yea. Every time they show the Nazi movie, it has just straight up shit-tier cinematography
Not just that though. The whole film centers around cinema, or at least images in the cultural context. The part most directly divorced from the cinema plot has
- nazis absolutely terrified of the golem myth
- former conscript who waged a terror campaign against nazis
- a Jewish American re-enacting ⚾️ baseball- im not just being cheeky, the reenactment and the other basterds calling it entertainment is important
- the swastika carved into the guys forehead as an inversion of the power of the symbol
- the "heroic german soldier" dying an absolutely unglorified death and then his subordinate immediately telling the basterds what they wanted to know, because he just watched the mythos of the heroic German soldier get destroyed
the “heroic german soldier” dying an absolutely unglorified death and then his subordinate immediately telling the basterds what they wanted to know, because he just watched the mythos of the heroic German soldier get destroyed
There's a very intentional 3/4ths second shot right after the first baseball bat hit to the head. The Nazi is still alive, actually conscious, and has his hands loosely stuck forward and is shaking. That's the giveaway that your line here was the conscious intent.
the “heroic german soldier” dying an absolutely unglorified death and then his subordinate immediately telling the basterds what they wanted to know, because he just watched the mythos of the heroic German soldier get destroyed
Users of :reddit-logo: watched this and thought that the message is "Wow this is nazi is so honorable".
It's beyond clear that the real point is "Wow, this nazi is fucking stupid and died for nothing"
I haven't watched this movie since it was in theaters, now I gotta see it again.
Do people actually say the same about Django? For whatever reason, people completely misunderstand Basterds but I dont see it with Django. I guess there's just a lot of nazi propaganda (clean wehrmacht), as well as reddit's insatiable desire to respect ALL soldiers.
because americans wildly misunderstand anything that isn't wholly american
I had an acquaintance who felt bad for the 'innocent people' like DiCaprio's sister but was strangely silent about the other victims of violence like the actual fucking slaves.
“it’s not a war crime in total war”
lmao now were cookin
War crimes against Nazis are not only morally justifiable, but the morally correct thing to do.
They do commit war crimes against the Nazis though. They beat POWs to death with baseball bats and scalp people. You're not supposed to do that, no matter who it is.
Still a good movie, but the main characters are vicious war criminals.
"I'm gonna give you something you cant take off" is such a good line though
Yea its objectively true that they commit war crimes. I'm not talking about that.
I'm talking about comments like this one,where a dude says that having no empathy for nazis that get killed makes you a nazi
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/naoaqo/what_war_crimes_do_the_good_guys_in_movies_commit/gxxhssa
That comment is dumb. Lot of dumb in that thread.
You know who else doesn't have empathy towards other humans?
Nazis.
Fucking My Little Pony villain ass understanding of the Third Reich.
In my view, everyone is human except those who view others as inhuman. Those people, in their hate, cut themselves off from what it is to be human. In dehumanizing others, they dehumanize themselves. Ergo Nazis aren't people. Your typical reddit brain at this point would say "but but you're doing the same thing!:le-pol-face: ". Nope. I'm reacting in practical terms to the actively genocidal actions of those who see others as subhuman. It's a division that would exist whether I said anything about it or not. I didnt choose to cut them off from humanity, they did that to themselves.
This is the thing.
Being a nazi is a choice. If you don't want people to hate you for being a nazi, you can just stop being one.
The victims of Nazis did not get that luxary
Arendt on Eichmann:
And just as you [Eichmann] supported and carried out a policy of not wanting to share the earth with the Jewish people and the people of a number of other nations—as though you and your superiors had any right to determine who should and who should not inhabit the world—we find that no one, that is, no member of the human race, can be expected to want to share the earth with you. This is the reason, and the only reason, you must hang.
Yea. This shit comes up every time Nazi Germany and WWII come up on Reddit.
It's hard to deal with at times, because it's sometimes hard to tell why someone is posting it
Some people do this kind of thing because they are neo-nazis that want to obfuscate and make it look like the army of Nazi Germany, maybe wasn't so different from any other army. and therefore wasn't so bad, and maybe Nazi Germany also wasn't so bad.
Other people doing are just your typical dumbass that bought into the "clean Wehrmacht" bs. Others still are doing some kind of /r/iam14andthisisdeep shit
It's just the lib love of the processes once again. The actual right wingers would either be full alt-right, spewing lies about Dresden and the clean Wehrmacht or they're at least the good ole boys type who don't give a shit who's on the receiving end of war crimes as long as it's the US doing it, which in a broken clock moment puts them on the correct side of things for this one.
But any context that isn't explicity set into writing within a given process, to the lib, not only can be ignored, it has to be, else the process might be tainted by a human understanding of a situation and not the cold, rational application of the best thing science can muster that they believe it is. And seeing how there's no "the nazis really deserved it tho"-clause for this case, the entire situation gets reduced two two spherical actors in a vacuum doing things and thus, war crimes against nazis makes you the real nazi.
The actual right wingers would either be full alt-right, spewing lies about Dresden and the clean Wehrmacht
Respectfully disagree here. Fash are not at all above cynically appropriating liberal or even socialist talking points and values if it suits their purpose at the moment. Why do you think they love to talk about "muh frozen peaches!!" so much? Why else did they say that they are a worker's party?
And seeing how there’s no “the nazis really deserved it tho”-clause for this case, the entire situation gets reduced to two spherical actors in a vacuum doing things and thus, war crimes against nazis makes you the real nazi.
This I agree with.
The first hit with the baseball bat was very forceful, and to the head. He wouldn't have suffered, it would be instant unconsciousness. The other Nazi they killed in that scene appeared to be shot in the head.
My alt on Reddit isn't banned. Time to pull out the "The Nazis were no angels" card.
Using an enemy's weapon against them. Like wresting a StG-44 from an SS Officer, then mag-dumping his arse.
We all know the saying and it 100% applies here, that when there's a Nazi and you're defending a Nazi there's at least two of them.
I think the point is that killing Nazis is cool and good. Something along those lines
