This scene was literally censored in Europe.
Roddenberry-ists know that 2024 is the beginning of all the cool shit.
One Ireland -> BELL RIOTS -> WWIII -> :possadist-ufo:
Yes I am a Marxist-Leninist-Maoist-Dengist-Roddenberryist, how could you tell? :gigachad:
Star Trek is posadism, Vulcans come visit Earth after humankind almost nukes itself into oblivion
Roddenberry's wife has said he was a Maoist. There are also rumors he was part of a Posadist org for a while.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Cetacean
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Cetacean_Ops
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I love this idea so much! The wiki says it's explored more in The Lower Decks, does anyone know if that show is any good?
I haven't heard bad things about it, which is a good sign; trekkies are usually vocal about whether a show is dogshit or not. Telling the stories of the "expendable" crew is a good angle too after the aristocrat-centrism of the main shows.
I myself haven't seen it, though.
I really liked it. It lampoons a lot of Star Trek camp while staying true to the overall ethos, which is a balance I wouldn't have thought possible before seeing it.
I really enjoy it. The humor is really hard for me to judge because a LOT is referential to other trek stuff and I know an embarassing amount about Trek. The characters are near and the low ranking officer perspective actually lends itself to some stories that relate to workplace organizing and class conciousness. It's genuinely the most explicitly leftist Trek series since DS9. It's more chuckle Evry once in a while funny than big laughs. I think it would actually appeal a lot to most people here
Lower Decks is great. It took me some time to get into but by the end I was all on board and once I was there my rewatch was more enjoyable. The comedy is okay on its own but the obscure Trekkie fanservice gags make me feel good cause I decided to dedicate most of my brain meat to Star Trek. It has a very TNG vibe but since the mains are all low ranking members it's sort of a class concious deconstruction of TNG but doesn't go too hard about it. It's basically TNG from the view of the last people they tell about anything and have to clean down the loads in the holodeck. It's fun and has a lot of potential.
:thonk: Quotes Mao directly while claiming to not follow his theory.
I have never subscribed to the theory that says political power flows from the barrel of a gu-
Captain! Romulans decloaking aft!
RED ALERT! RAISE SHIELDS AND COME ABOUT ENSIGN, STAND BY WITH PHOTON TORPEDOES!
I never liked that ending. You have a treaty and a bunch of expert diplomats, and none of the expert diplomats thought to read the treaty until the 11th hour?
EULAs are bullshit, but that's a different story entirely.
We're talking about a treaty, and those do get read (international law has a mountain of shortcomings, but that's also a different story). And while it's a super complex treaty in that episode, there are super complex contracts that get read and enforced even today, and we don't have the resources of the Enterprise. Imagine the Ctrl + F power on that sucker.
The Spiderman pointing at himself picture, except both Spidermen are Mao -- this is the 666th form of liberalism.
I'm going to have to sit down and spend 10 minutes and make a cheat sheet of my favorite emotes. It's hard to keep track, there is so many good ones!
I like how Picard doesn't have an argument to send back at Data. Sheer fucking hubris.
His response in the episode is something like "that is a question mankind has struggled with for centuries".
You don't say, Jean-Luc. 🙄
I wish Picard showed up on DS9 every once in a while just so Sisko can make him uncomfortable. I'd also like to see Kira rip into him.
I love the scenes in the DS9 pilot where Sisko argues with Picard, it would have been great to get more of that.
You either die a star fleet captain or live long enough to commit war crimes.
This scene was literally censored in Europe.
Where in Europe? It's kind of a big place with lots of countries lol
I looked it up and it was censored in Ireland and the UK because it talked about a unified Ireland as a result of terrorism. But it is always kind of funny when someone says "x happened in Europe" with no qualifiers.
Gonna go even more technical, it wasn't censored in the UK they straight up didn't air the episode for 12 years and then shelved it for another seven or so after one airing got complaints.
We had the same idea! Check out the sub's new feed: https://www.reddit.com/r/RedshirtsUnite/new/
Lenin (also once portrayed by Patrick Stewart) takes a dim view of terrorism. He makes compelling arguments arguments terrorist tactics in "What Is To Be Done". Also it should be noted that Lenin's brother tried employing terrorism in an effort to bring on a people's revolution. His efforts were much less fruitful than Lenin's.
His efforts were much less fruitful than Lenin’s.
You're not kidding. Lenin's older brother was hanged for his actions.
The context of the episode is that the leader of a separatist resistance with 200 members and at least 5000 supports kidnapped Dr. Crusher because they were being oppressed by a government that was a trade partner with the federation. The kinldnapping made it a direct Starfleet affair and not just a diplomatic Federation one they could just ignore while reading with an oppressive regime in contradiction with their chartered ethics. People gotta watch the episode before talking.
I also posted this on reddit, let's see if my account gets banned. 🤞
I don't have a youtube account anymore, but feel free to submit it! :halal:
