Hunger Games was a based decolonialist take-down of the imperial core through direct action, protracted peoples' war, and effective agitprop.
The Order of the Phoenix was a revolutionary vanguardist party that successfully couped the fascist regime and generated a dictatorship of the proletariat, which Harry safeguards.
Star Wars is just reactionary lib shit, I'll give you that.
I agree on Hunger Games, not suuuure I can agree on Order of the Phoenix as slavery literally still exists and basically nothing changes at all at the end of the books. Star Wars is literally based on Vietnam and Lucas seems like he has some very cool opinions he's aired in the past , I'm inclined to believe that he personally liked the USSR and was a strong sympathiser even though he is who he is.
I think the problem media here is Harry Potter. It's extremely lib. Its politics and ideology mirrors that of its author who is a racist terfy shit.
Order of the Phoenix is an Early-Bourgeois-Arisstocratic revolution, like the Dutch or the Downfall of the Stuarts. bunch of Elite Trader Monopolists attempting to promote liberal "freedoms" at the expense of the old Agricultural Feudal Aristocracy.
I think I agree on Order of the Phoenix. Gorn is right in that it's a vanguard to an extent, but vanguards aren't unique to MLs. There have been several cases where leading groups have utilised a country's revolutionary energy and their own organised power/influence to then lead and guide that energy forwards That's what they're doing in the books too. I'm more inclined to think JK Rowling's influence is secret societies, conspiracy, Knights Templar shit and the like though rather than bourgeois revolution. I don't think she has the historical knowledge or interest to write anything other than that, her politics are incredibly shallow.
Uh, but Harry himself freed a House-elf (or, tricked Dobby’s master into freeing him), something that happens extremely, extremely rarely. The Elfs, for the most part, don’t even want freedom because of all the internalized racism (which the books show Dobby struggling with, and over-coming).
And one of the most memorable sub-plots was Hermione working her ass off for the Society for the Promotion of Elfish Welfare. And the Elfs fought in the Battle of Hogwarts, which may have marked a turning-point in the relationship. Even the extremely reactionary Ron Weasley had a change of heart, which marked him and Hermione getting together.
HERE LIES DOBBY, A FREE ELF
Though it’s true, slavery didn’t end during the books. And I won’t deny there’s a hella lotta lib shit in the books hahaha I just like pointing out some of the ways it’s based, too, cuz I love them. I have zero tolerance for JK Rowling though, and as far as I’m concerned she hasn’t written a word past the books, not even a single tweet. Death to terfs. And ya, Cho Chang and a few other characters/races are super fucking racist. I, unfortunately, can’t help that I read the series a dozen times growing up haha. I wish JK didn’t have to ruin it by being such a shit with her privilege.
Star Wars is some bullshit though. It’s all about how ancient religious orders are more based than federal governments, and about how individual heroes are more important than mass movements. I sleep on Star Wars, though it’s been a long time since I’ve seen it. I only know that Star Trek is better.
I’m glad, tho, that we agree on Hunger Games. It’s also the most realist media on this little list, and I’m glad that it gets the politics right. It really makes me wanna rewatch it. Maybe even read past the first book, we’ll see. I just love Katniss so much hahaha 🏹
Hmmm we disagree a bit but I do kinda understand how you got to where you are. Star Wars is good though, at least under Lucas. Yes there's a space cult and magic involved but I genuinely think it serves no political or ideological purpose other than to put wizards in space for the sake of making the story more interesting. I don't see Jedi or Sith as competing religions. They are space wizards learning light magic vs dark magic. It has DnD influence if anything, which I think you can see a lot of when you look at the varied party-members during "dungeons" that they're investigating and the skills of the party members ranging from ranged combat to melee to lock-picking and/etc. Jedi are the space wizards of the party.
Honestly, 95% of the time I talk about HP these days, it’s just to shit on the author. I cannot explain why I feel compelled to redeem it that other 5% ahaha
I’ve always liked the Jedi, tbh, before I started doing a political reading. They remind me of Buddhist monks, and I like a lot of the teachings they carry. Plus, they do it with badass space swords and are committed to fighting to the death to protect their values. V cool.
Jedi are the space wizards of the party.
I can’t believe it took like less than an hour for me to come around on Star Wars haha thank you for enlightening me o7
Right right but I'm mainly focused on what Lucas was directly involved with. When I say "Star Wars is based on vietnam" I'm definitely solely referring to Lucas' works. I'm sure there are huge chunks of the EU he had absolutely nothing to do with.
I’m sure there are huge chunks of the EU he had absolutely nothing to do with.
Yeah, pretty much everything in the EU had ~0 Lucas involvement, thats why a lot of it is, you know... good
But semi-joking aside, from what I remember from interviews and stuff, he basically wanted to make a ww2 film, in space, with samurai movie elements and that morphed into whatever the hell it is now
Ok I definitely need to rewatch star wars if I'm ever gonna be able to approach it with that level of nuance hahaha. 6 + 3 movies plus a miniseries, here I come! Haha
I've spent so much time thinking Lucas' whole heroes journey thing is so derivative and christian, it will be quite the experience watching it with a 'this is maybe marxist' read hahaha
This is all very new to me haha. Growing up, it was always "Star Trek is for leftists, and Star Wars is for chuds”. Luckily my mind is flexible and capable of change haha, how interesting!
It's the great man theory vibes that set me away the most. Every character is a hero, and that's the whole story. I don't think I'll ever get into the extended universe stuff, but I do think I'll give the films another look . I haven't even seen all of the new new trilogy yet, so a full re-watch might be a good way to get around to that :)
Hunger Games was a based decolonialist take-down of the imperial core through direct action, protracted peoples' war, and effective agitprop.
The Order of the Phoenix was a revolutionary vanguardist party that successfully couped the fascist regime and generated a dictatorship of the proletariat, which Harry safeguards.
Star Wars is just reactionary lib shit, I'll give you that.
I agree on Hunger Games, not suuuure I can agree on Order of the Phoenix as slavery literally still exists and basically nothing changes at all at the end of the books. Star Wars is literally based on Vietnam and Lucas seems like he has some very cool opinions he's aired in the past , I'm inclined to believe that he personally liked the USSR and was a strong sympathiser even though he is who he is.
I think the problem media here is Harry Potter. It's extremely lib. Its politics and ideology mirrors that of its author who is a racist terfy shit.
Order of the Phoenix is an Early-Bourgeois-Arisstocratic revolution, like the Dutch or the Downfall of the Stuarts. bunch of Elite Trader Monopolists attempting to promote liberal "freedoms" at the expense of the old Agricultural Feudal Aristocracy.
I think I agree on Order of the Phoenix. Gorn is right in that it's a vanguard to an extent, but vanguards aren't unique to MLs. There have been several cases where leading groups have utilised a country's revolutionary energy and their own organised power/influence to then lead and guide that energy forwards That's what they're doing in the books too. I'm more inclined to think JK Rowling's influence is secret societies, conspiracy, Knights Templar shit and the like though rather than bourgeois revolution. I don't think she has the historical knowledge or interest to write anything other than that, her politics are incredibly shallow.
Uh, but Harry himself freed a House-elf (or, tricked Dobby’s master into freeing him), something that happens extremely, extremely rarely. The Elfs, for the most part, don’t even want freedom because of all the internalized racism (which the books show Dobby struggling with, and over-coming).
And one of the most memorable sub-plots was Hermione working her ass off for the Society for the Promotion of Elfish Welfare. And the Elfs fought in the Battle of Hogwarts, which may have marked a turning-point in the relationship. Even the extremely reactionary Ron Weasley had a change of heart, which marked him and Hermione getting together.
HERE LIES DOBBY, A FREE ELF
Though it’s true, slavery didn’t end during the books. And I won’t deny there’s a hella lotta lib shit in the books hahaha I just like pointing out some of the ways it’s based, too, cuz I love them. I have zero tolerance for JK Rowling though, and as far as I’m concerned she hasn’t written a word past the books, not even a single tweet. Death to terfs. And ya, Cho Chang and a few other characters/races are super fucking racist. I, unfortunately, can’t help that I read the series a dozen times growing up haha. I wish JK didn’t have to ruin it by being such a shit with her privilege.
Star Wars is some bullshit though. It’s all about how ancient religious orders are more based than federal governments, and about how individual heroes are more important than mass movements. I sleep on Star Wars, though it’s been a long time since I’ve seen it. I only know that Star Trek is better.
I’m glad, tho, that we agree on Hunger Games. It’s also the most realist media on this little list, and I’m glad that it gets the politics right. It really makes me wanna rewatch it. Maybe even read past the first book, we’ll see. I just love Katniss so much hahaha 🏹
Hmmm we disagree a bit but I do kinda understand how you got to where you are. Star Wars is good though, at least under Lucas. Yes there's a space cult and magic involved but I genuinely think it serves no political or ideological purpose other than to put wizards in space for the sake of making the story more interesting. I don't see Jedi or Sith as competing religions. They are space wizards learning light magic vs dark magic. It has DnD influence if anything, which I think you can see a lot of when you look at the varied party-members during "dungeons" that they're investigating and the skills of the party members ranging from ranged combat to melee to lock-picking and/etc. Jedi are the space wizards of the party.
Honestly, 95% of the time I talk about HP these days, it’s just to shit on the author. I cannot explain why I feel compelled to redeem it that other 5% ahaha
I’ve always liked the Jedi, tbh, before I started doing a political reading. They remind me of Buddhist monks, and I like a lot of the teachings they carry. Plus, they do it with badass space swords and are committed to fighting to the death to protect their values. V cool.
I can’t believe it took like less than an hour for me to come around on Star Wars haha thank you for enlightening me o7
Thats way more of a thing in the old EU, particularly the old republic era stuff
Right right but I'm mainly focused on what Lucas was directly involved with. When I say "Star Wars is based on vietnam" I'm definitely solely referring to Lucas' works. I'm sure there are huge chunks of the EU he had absolutely nothing to do with.
Yeah, pretty much everything in the EU had ~0 Lucas involvement, thats why a lot of it is, you know... good
But semi-joking aside, from what I remember from interviews and stuff, he basically wanted to make a ww2 film, in space, with samurai movie elements and that morphed into whatever the hell it is now
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Ok I definitely need to rewatch star wars if I'm ever gonna be able to approach it with that level of nuance hahaha. 6 + 3 movies plus a miniseries, here I come! Haha
I've spent so much time thinking Lucas' whole heroes journey thing is so derivative and christian, it will be quite the experience watching it with a 'this is maybe marxist' read hahaha
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This is all very new to me haha. Growing up, it was always "Star Trek is for leftists, and Star Wars is for chuds”. Luckily my mind is flexible and capable of change haha, how interesting!
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It's the great man theory vibes that set me away the most. Every character is a hero, and that's the whole story. I don't think I'll ever get into the extended universe stuff, but I do think I'll give the films another look . I haven't even seen all of the new new trilogy yet, so a full re-watch might be a good way to get around to that :)
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