That's what I think
literally just saw something that said it was 88% effective at preventing symptomatic infections from the delta variant.
https://globalnews.ca/news/8050563/pfizer-astrazeneca-vaccine-delta-variant/
That's what the UK is reporting. Israel vaccinated earlier and the data seems to show that the protection drops off after a few months.
Viral load with Delta is about 1000x as much as previous variants, and the infectiousness is approaching measles territory. How much virus you are exposed to seems to have an impact on how well your body can fight off an infection, so we should all be wearing masks and distancing even if vaccinated. Odds are you'll be fine if you're vaccinated but you can still potentially carry enough of the virus to pass it on.
and the infectiousness is approaching measles territory
Good thing we're ready to re enter lockdowns and re impose masking if need be
"I did my part and got vaccinated, I'm done with masks!" :covid-cool:
Moderna is pretty much the same tech as pfizer, but at a higher dose, and seems to show a slightly stronger immune response, but no one knows if that means protection lasts longer or is better.
"88% effectiveness against hospitalization and 91% effectiveness against severe illness"
all i care about lmao
It’s not all you should care about. Keeping the reproduction rate down is important if you care about those two things.
This is important for the volcel police to ensure there isn’t a spike in the reproduction rate
A 1 in 10 chance of being hospitalized in a shithole country where hospital visits are financially ruinous is not good
It’s not a 1 in 10 of being hospitalized, it’s an 88% reduction vs not being vaccinated. it’s not like every unvaccinated person gets hospitalized.
And it's all you should care about! Hospitalizations and deaths per case are much lower than they used to be thanks to the vaccine.
I feel like the infection rate is still important for the immunocompromised and those who otherwise can't take the vaccine. Like sure, if someone refuses the vaccine and gets owned, they get owned, but if you can't get the vaccine and get some morbidity & mortality, that feels bad.
Yeah, I exaggerated a bit there. While hospitalization and death rate are orders of magnitude more important than incidence rate (and it's not an either/or, since the vaccine is great at reducing all three!), the latter is still important.
Pfizer and BioNTech’s Covid-19 vaccine is just 39% effective in Israel where the delta variant is the dominant strain, but still provides strong protection against severe illness and hospitalization, according to a new report from the country’s Health Ministry.
The efficacy figure, which is based on an unspecified number of people between June 20 and July 17, is down from an earlier estimate of 64% two weeks ago and conflicts with data out of the U.K. that found the shot was 88% effective against symptomatic disease caused by the variant.
Might not be that the 39% figure holds outside of Israel since they were one of the first countries to do widespread vaccination
If I allow myself to be conspiratorial, that might put this into some perspective:
“What we are seeing is a decision by the government to get as many people infected as possible, as quickly as possible, while using rhetoric about caution as a way of putting the blame on the public for the consequences,” said Prof Robert West, a health psychologist at University College London who participates in Sage’s behavioural science subgroup.
I.e., the UK is rolling the dice to chase herd immunity while the older population still has effective vaccination coverage. Revaccinating the population with booster shots is going to be another huge logistic effort, with a likely more weary public response.
I’m almost certainly talking out of my arse, but it fits with the Tories desire for a Mengele-technocracy response to the pandemic.
That is almost certainly what's happening. I think they are also trying to get it out of the way before fall/winter.
Every vaccine wears off, that's why the flu shot is annual and people get booster shots.
maybe. i also saw stufff about immunity getting stronger over time. my commenty was more about israel being weird with covid
Lmao I remember the ghouls cackling about how the sinovac and others developed by anti-american states were "pitiful" in their effectiveness, yet it seems the table may have turned.
so big pharma gonna keep shooting us with booster shots? UGH! Pandemic is far from over when new variants keep lowering efficacy rates. Anti-vaxxers, people just dropping safety measures in mass gatherings, and poor countries have little access to vaccines, new variants are bound to keep popping up.
:deeper-sadness:
How bad were the symptoms? Hope you’re feeling better, comrade.
Not too bad so far. Like having a tiring cold and I can’t smell anything. Only day 2 so far though. But the vaccine should keep me from getting very sick i hope!
Damn that sucks, but it’s good the symptoms have been moderate. Any idea how you picked it up?
yeah thankfully I am not too worried because the vaccine should keep it from being bad, though I already miss my sense of smell! There are a few possibilities for how I got it. Probably should have worn my mask in a few outdoor crowds I have been in lately. Also could have been second hand since my brother's roommates had it and he has come over to my place.... ugh. oh well.
It’s possible the UK’s longer dosing interval led to higher immunity. 3 or 4 weeks was basically a good-enough best guess by the vaccine makers and they didn’t have the “luxury” of longer studies.
When the UK first began vaccinating, 1 dose was nearly as good as 2 — at least for near-term immunity. That is no longer the case with the 🔼. The second shot really counts now. Even UK has shortened the interval.
Here is a good article: https://wellcome.org/news/what-happens-if-we-delay-second-doses-covid-19-vaccines-pfizer-oxford-moderna
"demonstrating 88% effectiveness against hospitalization and 91% effectiveness against severe illness"
Preventing severe illness and hospitalization is far, far more important than preventing infection. This study also had a smaller sample size and duration than most other studies of vaccine against the Delta variant, and a similar study out of the UK showed it at over 80% against Delta.
Severe infection as in life threatening? Does non life threatening brain damage count as severe?
