• kristina [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      some guys legit suicided themselves into imperialists because thats how imperialism fucked their family so hard. someone along the line that was important to their family died and they lost hope and were willing to die in reckless abandon. in korea these guys would put big explosive bombs on the end of a stick, wait in a ditch, and yolo themselves head first into a tank's treads.

      and its because they didnt have anything to live for. their family was dead.

      war isnt glorious. its struggle beyond belief.

        • kristina [she/her]
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          3 years ago

          and thats the thing a lot of western leftists dont understand. like, my family didnt fight nazis just cause. family members went missing because of the nazis. that sort of shit fills you with so much rage that suicide isnt enough. its not something that just ebbs and flows either, its very persistent.

          has enough of any western society reached that point? doubt it

          anecdote about 'Dare to Die' squads among China's early socialist movement with Sun Yat-sen

          During the Xinhai Revolution itself, many Chinese revolutionaries became martyrs in battle. "Dare to Die" student corps were founded, for student revolutionaries wanting to fight against Qing dynasty rule. Dr. Sun Yatsen and Huang Xing promoted the Dare to Die corps. Huang said, "We must die, so let us die bravely".[1] During the revolution, suicide squads were formed by Chinese students going into battle, knowing that they would be killed fighting against overwhelming odds.

          • BruceWillis [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            well there's thousands of people whose family members have been killed by the police. thousands more who died of heroin ODs thanks to the sacklers. died in industrial accidents because of lax safety and health standards. died of black lung or cancer from toxic work environments etc etc. but it's not enough. and propaganda teaches everyone to blame themselves for everything that happens to them.

            and i know those aren't as bad as what happened to the loved ones of the people who joined suicide squads in revolutions.

        • LeninWalksTheWorld [any]
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          3 years ago

          yeah it will have to get to a point where peoples normal lives suck more than shitting in the forest and getting shot at. that has happened quite a few times in history but the United States has a lot of money to burn through first...

            • BruceWillis [none/use name]
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              3 years ago

              don't forget the most sophisticated system of mass mind control through propaganda ever created in history.

          • Ithorian [comrade/them, he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Bread and circuses. As long as people have food and some way of distracting them selves from how shitty things are they have something to lose. The average person isn't going to give up what they have in the bloody pursuit of something better.

          • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]
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            3 years ago

            Shitting in the forest is nice, it's way better than having to mess with a toilet to make sure it flushes right and doesn't clog.

            Getting shot at, not so much.

    • opposide [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      Here’s the thing though: it takes very little retaliation to entrench an idea/ideology. Even a small insurrection could grow immensely if the messaging is somewhat valid. The US has turned itself into a permanent enemy in Iraq and Afghanistan TO ALL SIDES OF THE CONFLICT by intervening at all.

      I can imagine it would take a truly brutal and open crackdown on its own civilians (considering how the police already act like a hostile occupation if you’re poor in the US) to cause any widely growing and uncontrollable anti-US sentiment, but given how this country is always ready to jump to violence as the solution, this scenario more likely than it might seem at the surface.

      • BruceWillis [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        the BLM riots are a perfect example. if the media was not constantly manufacturing consent for a return to normality, and didn't stop reporting on police murders/abuses other than george floyd and breonna taylor, the riots would have kept growing. :parenti:

    • El_Quico [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      100% of the 1st world leftists I know have combat training, survival skills, navigation skills, discipline, willpower, and combat experience.

    • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]
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      3 years ago

      The success of a PPW also largely depends on preparedness and support.

      The more you sweat in Protracted People's Peace, you know the rest.

  • SoyViking [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Maybe... But it's also hard and dangerous and unpleasant and it takes a long time.

    Can't we do protracted people's posting instead?