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  • MirrorMadness [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    If we're specifically talking about libs:

    -make sure to preface your argument with the fact you ARE voting (even if you're not, probably just lie if you want to talk about Biden). This matters more to them than anything else. If you tell them you're not voting, they're going to get mad at you and it'll be their whole thing: they'll even say things like they'd rather you vote for Trump than not vote, which, yeah, they have brain worms. Plus if you vote Green there's that extremely unlikely situation where they hit 5%, which I forget why that matters.

    -the easy dodge: you probably live in a state that is not in play for the election. Note though: this should really be used if you don't want to have a conversation. Like, you are not addressing the issue with this; you are failing to address it.

    -Basic ethical arguments: Because you get to choose who you vote for, it's unconscionable to you that: Joe Biden raped at least one person; is at best extremely tolerant of segregationists but more likely just doesn't view segregation as a problem or a bad thing, which is wild; is a hair-sniffing, child-groping freak; by all appearances suffers from dementia and, on bad days, has trouble forming basic sentences; is an actual architect of the War in Iraq; is an actual architect of the carceral state. You only vote once in the 2020 election, and you'll need to live with the decision to vote for a rapist/segregationist/war criminal/creep/mentally incapacitated person for the rest of your life.

    -Utilitarian arguments: People will argue that Biden will reduce the amount of harm in the world compared to Trump. Maybe he will. But the border crisis comes in part from the Obama administrations coup in Honduras. Biden lobbied hard for the Iraq War and seems to like war. The Dem Party forced people to vote in-person in the primary during a pandemic, and now such party bigwigs as Cuomo and Schumer are insisting on sending kids back to school, which will kill people, and it's not like Biden is reining them in. Biden could easily kill just as many people as Trump will through the State Department, three-letter agencies, armed forces, public schools, and honestly, there's not much reason to believe ICE is going to be a lot better.

    • CoralMarks [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      where they hit 5%, which I forget why that matters

      “What would really be a big victory would be if we got 5% of the vote,” Hawkins said.
      “That qualifies us for a public campaign financing grant for the general election in 2024 for president. If we got to 5% there’d be about $20m at least waiting for our presidential ticket in 2024, which would be a jump up. So 5% is benchmark.”
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