:1984: ugh it doesn't do a whole lot but the devs said your police go plant bugs and stuff. i mean they are surprisingly pacifist otherwise, no arrests, you just blacklist reactionaries from important jobs (or those that aren't "loyal to the state"). it does take some of the pure socialist urban/nation planning away from an otherwise good game. not sure how historically accurate it is, but if bug planting and removal of responsibilities is as "police state stasi" as this gets i won't be too upset in the long run. beats murdering citizens in the streets for minor crimes
As far as I understand (keep in mind this is from memory), the actual Stasi weren't all that violent either. They mostly did surveillance and put pressure on people (such as having student dissidents fail classes). Certainly not the "run around oppressing and assassinating everyone" image people in the West seem to have built up of them.
Sounds hilarious, actually. Imagine if every college Republican failed all their classes.
Honestly especially appropriate in post-WWII Germany.
I think they thought I meant little kids in school rather than, you know, this.
As always, I'm sure there were overreaches of authority, and I'm sure there were also times when they were correct (as you say, post-WW2 Germany certainly wouldn't have produced ideal conditions). This is from a half-remembered passage I read in Stasi State or Socialist Paradise, so take it all with a grain of salt regardless.
Edit: they did not. I think they're just angry and taking it out here by interpreting everything I say in the most uncharitable possible way.
Fun fact: A fuck ton of Nazis survived the war and continued being Nazis
When did I call it "lol whatever"? My point is that the actual activities of the Stasi, while obviously not always above board, were also not nearly what people in the West think they were.
exactly what people in the west think they were
People in the West think that the Stasi ran around rounding up anyone who criticized the government and killing/imprisoning them, not that they used unethical pressure tactics to dissuade active political dissidents.
There's a huge difference between those two. If you wanted, I'm sure you could also find better and worse things the Stasi did. The point is that they're not the cartoon villains they're portrayed as in American propaganda.
I don’t know how you diminish that but it’s not done honestly
I'm literally not diminishing anything. I didn't say it was good.
Edit: "just examining everything your children say" University student political dissidents, not primary school children.
Edit 2: this is all from a passage I read a while back in Stasi State or Socialist Paradise, so it's possible I'm misremembering details anyway. Anyone who's reading this and is interested in the subject should take it from the book, rather than from me.
The point is that they’re not the cartoon villains they’re portrayed as in American propaganda.
This is what diminishing means.
That's just factual. Of course the Americans exaggerate the crimes of their enemies.
You’re painting the picture of a malevolent all powerful and omnipresent state that interferes in all aspects of daily life to the point of trying to destroy children who wrongthink.
If you read my edits (edit: and didn't intentionally interpret them in the worst possible way), you'd know I'm not talking about "wrong-thinking" children, but adults who are working against the state (that's what "dissidents" means). And I don't think it was good, just that it wasn't quite what people think the Stasi generally did.
Once again, I suggest Stasi State or Socialist Paradise, because I'm only remembering from a passage of it. It's critical of the Stasi, by the way, not supportive of them.
Honestly, nothing I've made here is a wild point, especially in the context of this website. I'd appreciate you reading my posts in good faith instead of assuming I'm a psychopath and proceeding with the worst possible interpretation of everything I say.
Fun fact: the US employs proportionally more of its own citizens to spy on their fellow countrymen than the GDR ever did. They also imprison several orders of magnitude more people.
Destruction as in not spending resources on their education?
I have a question, how do you organize free education (as in paid for by society), when you have brain drain problems, cause nearby usa pays more cash money?
rivaled only by the CIA
Cuba's spies were so good people always forget about them. Castro didn't survive all those assassination attempts with just swag.
making cars a requirement for 100% loyalty was worse :disgost:
does any have any good maps tho, I cant find anything good with a low starting pop
I'd say the bigger problem is that even if all other needs are met (Food, goods, clothing, sports, culture enjoyment maxxed and no alcoholism or religiousness), loyalty keeps slowly decreasing by itself.
I guess that's how things kinda were in countries like the GDR, which never had supply problems except for some luxury goods but still a government popularity of maybe 30 to 60% considering electoral results of the PDS in 1990 and after that. Though I'd say the secret police should be a way to raise loyalty faster but randomly get some citizens in the republic to emigrate and maybe lower the threshold needed for protests if that ever gets added. Maybe have it necessary to prevent random sabotage or corruption if that is a planned mechanic.
As for the map, I've been enjoying "Big River Infrastructure" by morcup
i love Sakhalin Island Streams map.. low pop, nice and flat, realistic (based on actual Sakhalin island), feels like you are really developing a rural area.
That's how it literally works in (modern) Germany btw. If you're proven to be "an enemy of the constitution (Verfassungsfeindlich), you are most likely going to be denied most jobs in the public sector. Of course, the Federal Agency for the Protection of the Constitution (Verfassungsschutz) does turn a blind eye to openly revolutionary Neo-Nazi cells in the army and police, but denies leftists jobs in even just stuff like public sector scientific research.
And it's been this way since 1972-ish, when the SPD chancellor made a law specifically targeting the newly legalized German Communist Party (DKP) and the various Maoist groups that were around back then.
...I'm assuming you mean Derek Chauvin, the police officer who murdered George Floyd?
was thinking Floyd since he probably would have preferred being denied a job to being murdered, but yours is a different angle on it that also works
Fired ex-Mesa police Officer Philip Brailsford rehired to help him get a public-safety pension
