Do you think he should’ve just drawn on the kid rather than try to dive on him? Seems in the state the shooter was in he would’ve shot him if he had pulled his weapon, not surrendered. Should he have just shot him while he was down? What was tactically the best option? And legally?
I’m not sure whether it’s a weakness or a strength that for someone on the left, the non-lethal option was what he went for. You just know any CHUD would’ve shot first asked questions later, as proven by the fash baby.
I was thinking about how I would personally handle carrying a firearm at a protest. Purely hypothetical, as in my situation it would be irresponsible. Here's my question: Would it be a good or a bad idea to come with a gun but no ammunition?
If or when a leftist shoots back, I cannot see this ending well for any of us. The media will most likely react negatively, narratives will be pushed, the government could use it as an excuse to crack down. Imagine what would have happened if the guy shot in the arm actually managed to kill the shooter, how much more charged the situation would be. The way I currently see it, no one is ready for firefights taking place in the streets, especially not at the protests where things are confusing and people are everywhere. But these right-wing militias still need to be deterred, and an armed left-wing group standing opposite them is generally considered as best option available.
If an armed left-wing group were to show up to the protests, would it be in their best interest to come ready to actually shoot somebody? You know that if you shoot someone, you're going to be subject to immense scrutiny, and even if you were acting in self-defense/defense of others, it will still be twisted and used against both you, the left, and the protests in general. Every action might have consequences far beyond just you. It's what I always remind myself any time I catch myself fantasizing about violent retribution or street justice (like I'm sure many of us do): it'd do far more harm than good, and should stay fantasy. Shit, even just talking about that feels scary and gross.
Is the appearance of being ready to shoot back not enough of a deterrence? Do you have to be ready to fully respond? I mean I don't blame anyone if they bring a loaded magazine or a few rounds just in case, since that's supposedly all you'd ever shoot in a real situation anyways. I'd like to hear some thoughts on this, lemme know if I'm being a scaredy-cat lib.
Counterpoint: we had a sitting U.S. senator call for using the military to slaughter protesters maybe a month ago, and we now have fascists actually killing people. "The optics will be bad" is kind of the same argument as "we can't nominate Bernie because Republicans will call him a socialist." The cat's already out of the bag, and it's not like these folks need reality to match their rhetoric anyways.
I suppose you're right. Fascists don't care about being discredited or accused of hypocrisy or the optics of anything, and for that matter neither do much of the liberals. We shouldn't hold ourselves to the standards they don't adhere to themselves.
It's OK to have higher standards that shitty people; we just can't import those standards onto them to predict their behavior. I.e., we can't assume they'll attempt to put reality before their political goals and propaganda.
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If you bring a gun that you're not ready to use, you'll wind up like the guy in
portlandAustin. Seemingly brandishing his gun and a chud shot him for it.Do you have any more information on that? I don't think I heard about that case.
Was in Austin, my bad. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/26/us/austin-shooting-texas-protests.html
Wonder what the guy thinks about Rittenhouse.
Considering that the Austin murderer also drove in from his active duty station an hour north...probably much the same.
Bring a weapon only if you are completely prepared to use it. Willing, trained, and equipment in good working order. Anything less is playing pretend, and will make you a target with no capacity to retaliate. People will expect you to be able to defend yourself and others and find out you just hoped looking tough would protect you. Please please please do not bring an unloaded weapon to anything.
Awful. Terrible. No good, very bad. You'd basically have all the downsides of carrying (attracts attention, legality issues) with none of the benefits.