It’s been really disappointing seeing so many so-called Marxist-“leninists” going to bat for Russia over this issue. Like I literally got banned from two separate “communist” subreddits over the past few days solely because I told people that communists should abide by the principle of revolutionary defeatism and not to pick sides in inter-imperialist conflicts. Mind blowing how people can claim to be followers of a man’s ideology, and yet not follow one of the dude’s simplest principles
Apt term to describe them. The memes are fun but between this and people having to be like "look it's funny that the Taliban beat the US but they're Very Bad Dudes" the immaturity levels are off the charts
I heard someone mention Iraq, Saddam Hussein, and the Iraqi people..when people are mentioning the Russian working class. And how as bad as the Russian working class have it, they could certainly have it worse if the USA and NATO are able to escalate this and completely defeat Russia. I don't think Russia did a good thing, but I don't believe that Russia "losing" is a good thing. We know how the USA and its allies like to completely annihilate its enemies. Russia needs to leave Ukraine but...I don't know how to phrase this....but in a deescalation that allows everyone to save face.
Tell them about what Russia is doing in Africa with private military companies, Nazi infiltration in the Russian military and private military companies, and obviously corrupt deals like the proposed South Africa - Russia nuclear power deal, and watch their heads explode.
Honestly have no clue, I just see the sun and ape emoji combo in peoples names on twitter and just pretend like someone used the men in black amnesia pen on me
Honestly at this point i just use twitter for tweeting out dumb jokes, video james, and calling libertarians pedophiles, I rarely engage with shit seriously on there lol
I just follow my friends, a mix of news sources I agree with, random nobody pundits who only talk about niche topics, and lots of fanart accounts for games I like. Twitter is like my personal golf course I go to to relax. People talking about Twitter drama really doing it to themselves imo.
communists should abide by the principle of revolutionary defeatism and not to pick sides in inter-imperialist conflicts
Some people think this is a 100% imperialist war for both sides. I personaly think this is a insane take.
The extreme Putin supporters think this is 0% imperialism and 100% justified self defense etc nonsense. I Think this is also quite naive.
So not to invoke a golden mean fallacy but it is certainly possible that a mostly imperialist adventure(70/30) to also result in anti-imperialist results.
I also think that the future struggle session for people so keen to both sidesism is to provide some theory and concise meaningful actions a country in a similar position should take when they are again put into the same situation. It is important to keep in mind all the historical context, 8 years of deteriorating circunstances, people being killed, Azov battalion going nuts culminating with a extremely unfruitful round of negotiations that lasted 1 whole month.
My critique is that there is undeniably a large amount of idealism going on right now and not a lot of pragmatism. Not taking sides is just theory, what matters is the actions that result from that theory. Objectively speaking not only further NATO escalation would risk WW3 regardless it also means a further blow to any prospects of the left in a 100% US controlled world hegemony. We are lucky that China is an emerging superpower but China already made clear it is not willing to bring about world socialism and there is nothing to say the post Xi CPC will be as effective as they are now.
In the future China will be put in the same situation, heck the DPRK was already in the same situation. and I worry that the western left will once again find idealism more important then the actual consequences of it.
The left is fractured, people can't even give their worthless "critical support" anymore because this is the result. The phrase lost all meaning to some people, almost purposely ignoring the "critical" part as if all the nuance and reservations isn't already applied to that term.
Some people on here still have this view lol. At a theoretical level I think it stems from the failure to see the world shift from American unipolarity to multipolarity.
It’s been really disappointing seeing so many so-called Marxist-“leninists” going to bat for Russia over this issue. Like I literally got banned from two separate “communist” subreddits over the past few days solely because I told people that communists should abide by the principle of revolutionary defeatism and not to pick sides in inter-imperialist conflicts. Mind blowing how people can claim to be followers of a man’s ideology, and yet not follow one of the dude’s simplest principles
Let me guess, banned from genzedong?
I feel like the users at genzedong often arrive at positions through contrarianism or just plain edgyness
The inevitable course of a meme community is to merge with the most extreme views expressed in their memes
Crude anti-Americanism is still better than the most nuanced liberalism, but it's taking Ls today.
They see one hammer and sickle and lose all sense of nuance.
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Yeeeep lol, fucking first day communist kids
Anti-west* , they are full of fascists now and were supporting the Taliban during the Afghan shitshow.
Apt term to describe them. The memes are fun but between this and people having to be like "look it's funny that the Taliban beat the US but they're Very Bad Dudes" the immaturity levels are off the charts
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I heard someone mention Iraq, Saddam Hussein, and the Iraqi people..when people are mentioning the Russian working class. And how as bad as the Russian working class have it, they could certainly have it worse if the USA and NATO are able to escalate this and completely defeat Russia. I don't think Russia did a good thing, but I don't believe that Russia "losing" is a good thing. We know how the USA and its allies like to completely annihilate its enemies. Russia needs to leave Ukraine but...I don't know how to phrase this....but in a deescalation that allows everyone to save face.
Tell them about what Russia is doing in Africa with private military companies, Nazi infiltration in the Russian military and private military companies, and obviously corrupt deals like the proposed South Africa - Russia nuclear power deal, and watch their heads explode.
No you fucking ultra they can’t be imperialist because they don’t like America also I’m a patriotic socialist and I love sucking haz off on twitter
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I saw that video, was very good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OklRYn17jg
are the "patriotic socialists" not supporting NATO cause "it's the Russians who are imperialists this time"?
Honestly have no clue, I just see the sun and ape emoji combo in peoples names on twitter and just pretend like someone used the men in black amnesia pen on me
lol shut down the Twit comrade, you'll have a better time than trying to figure it out
Honestly at this point i just use twitter for tweeting out dumb jokes, video james, and calling libertarians pedophiles, I rarely engage with shit seriously on there lol
I just follow my friends, a mix of news sources I agree with, random nobody pundits who only talk about niche topics, and lots of fanart accounts for games I like. Twitter is like my personal golf course I go to to relax. People talking about Twitter drama really doing it to themselves imo.
This is the way
I follow exactly one person on twitter and they actually seem to be a sane, rational human being, and I refuse to follow anyone else for now.
(I also steal half the stuff they post, and put it on here, but don't tell anyone that pls)
Some people think this is a 100% imperialist war for both sides. I personaly think this is a insane take. The extreme Putin supporters think this is 0% imperialism and 100% justified self defense etc nonsense. I Think this is also quite naive.
So not to invoke a golden mean fallacy but it is certainly possible that a mostly imperialist adventure(70/30) to also result in anti-imperialist results.
I also think that the future struggle session for people so keen to both sidesism is to provide some theory and concise meaningful actions a country in a similar position should take when they are again put into the same situation. It is important to keep in mind all the historical context, 8 years of deteriorating circunstances, people being killed, Azov battalion going nuts culminating with a extremely unfruitful round of negotiations that lasted 1 whole month.
My critique is that there is undeniably a large amount of idealism going on right now and not a lot of pragmatism. Not taking sides is just theory, what matters is the actions that result from that theory. Objectively speaking not only further NATO escalation would risk WW3 regardless it also means a further blow to any prospects of the left in a 100% US controlled world hegemony. We are lucky that China is an emerging superpower but China already made clear it is not willing to bring about world socialism and there is nothing to say the post Xi CPC will be as effective as they are now.
In the future China will be put in the same situation, heck the DPRK was already in the same situation. and I worry that the western left will once again find idealism more important then the actual consequences of it.
The left is fractured, people can't even give their worthless "critical support" anymore because this is the result. The phrase lost all meaning to some people, almost purposely ignoring the "critical" part as if all the nuance and reservations isn't already applied to that term.
Literally war credits history repeating with chauvinists supporting their respective states
I guess that makes genzedong :bordiga-despair: wing of contrarianism against great satan
Some people on here still have this view lol. At a theoretical level I think it stems from the failure to see the world shift from American unipolarity to multipolarity.
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You could say it's a widespread disease
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