I am recalling that just a few months ago most Americans couldn't give a shit about Ukraine or what the US had done there since 2014.

Everyone's rightfully and justifiably horrified by the outcome and onset of this war, but it seems that it's given to an irrational zealous degree akin to the initial bloodlust of the 2003 invasion of Iraq, where there is little serious investigation of the context and facts, and politics broke down the conflict to a very Manichaean view of the world and West vs its adversaries in the East.

Russia (especially under Putin) ,considered "guilty until proven innocent", appears to confirm liberal fears with this war confirms all the prejudices about the Russian state - whose qualities are now directed at its people - and now liberals appear to be yearning for Russia to collapse as a state through economic annihilation or a nuclear holocaust.

It's just baffling, because at least with Iraq, there was a context of 9/11 being recent in people's minds and collusion with media propaganda to convincingly brainwash Americans into choosing a scapegoat for a collective bloodlust. With this the political context of this conflict, which Americans have little to no personal stake in , the bloodlust comes off as incredibly selective.

My principal complaint is that this is a dangerous scenario to be courting with global planetary extinction with.

  • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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    3 years ago

    the first war between white people since Hitler

    I'm not even sure where to begin with this one. Yugoslavia? Cuba? Greece? Poland and Hungary? The Basque?

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Hitler didn't see Slavs as white. Whiteness is a social construct that shifts to whatever is the in-group and whatever is the out-group for the ruling class of imperialist colonizers.

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        3 years ago

        Hitler didn’t see Slavs as white.

        Wilson didn't consider Germans white.

        Whiteness is a social construct

        And societies change over time. But the Ukrainians weren't white during the Cold War. They weren't white during the various CIA Ops destabilizing the state. They won't be white once this war is over.

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          They might be "honorary white" to creeps that want to get mail-order brides in the future. :so-true:

    • Llituro [he/him, they/them]
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      3 years ago

      That's my point. There have obviously been many, which many of us are aware of and angry about, but I think this really encapsulates the emotional affect that western media are pursuing.