Not only has this struggle session followed from the sub, up until this thread I feel like every time it's come up, the people making excuses for the troops seemed to be the only people talking, I thought I was going crazy
I just think there's some stuff that should remain an intra-community discussion. Americans talking to other Americans about how to turn their vets into comrades - ok, whatever, go forth, do your thing. But if chapochat is supposed to be for people from around the world, then it just becomes bizarre to watch one person say that their country is being hurt by US military policy, and then get a whole group of people trying to convince them that akshually, the soldiers carrying out said policy just want college, you have to understand... To put it crudely, there's certainly a lot of worth in discussing the material conditions of Germans in the 1930s, but you don't necessarily have to discuss them while a person from 1940s Belarus is in the room.
Funny how we don't see that sympathy for any other horrible military organisation. Excited to defend the IDF the same way: "Well you don't understand, they're conscripted, they'd go to jail if they refuse to serve, they'd have difficulty finding a good job if it came out that they didn't serve, their propaganda is so intense, most are in a supporting role anyway, how do you think Israeli leftists will fight off fascists if they're the only ones NOT trained, they're just 18 and there's intense social pressure from all their friends joining at the same time..." I'm sure I won't get branded a fash sympathiser or anything :)
Not only has this struggle session followed from the sub, up until this thread I feel like every time it's come up, the people making excuses for the troops seemed to be the only people talking, I thought I was going crazy
I just think there's some stuff that should remain an intra-community discussion. Americans talking to other Americans about how to turn their vets into comrades - ok, whatever, go forth, do your thing. But if chapochat is supposed to be for people from around the world, then it just becomes bizarre to watch one person say that their country is being hurt by US military policy, and then get a whole group of people trying to convince them that akshually, the soldiers carrying out said policy just want college, you have to understand... To put it crudely, there's certainly a lot of worth in discussing the material conditions of Germans in the 1930s, but you don't necessarily have to discuss them while a person from 1940s Belarus is in the room.
They're literally repeating the phrasing in the meme, zero self awareness
Funny how we don't see that sympathy for any other horrible military organisation. Excited to defend the IDF the same way: "Well you don't understand, they're conscripted, they'd go to jail if they refuse to serve, they'd have difficulty finding a good job if it came out that they didn't serve, their propaganda is so intense, most are in a supporting role anyway, how do you think Israeli leftists will fight off fascists if they're the only ones NOT trained, they're just 18 and there's intense social pressure from all their friends joining at the same time..." I'm sure I won't get branded a fash sympathiser or anything :)