I'm not christian, but I'm familiar with the teaching, and I think I can argue against that.
However the messiah was described before birth, I don't think Jesus fits the description of a prophet. Either in the literal modern sense, or in the way each of them were described in the new testament.
As far as I'm aware, none of Jesus's miracles tell the future. They heal the sick and raise the dead, etc., but they don't make predictions. I believe there are cases where he says what he and/or God are about to do, but that's not really a prophecy.
Generally, the way 'the prophets' are described in the stories of Jesus is as a group of elite conservative elders making pronouncements. Jesus's job is to tell them how they are misinterpreting the word of God, and are misleading people.
If you have a strong opinion on another interpretation, I would be happy to hear it, but I probably will just defer to you and won't debate about it.
Edit to clarify what I'm saying here:
In the sense of 'prophet' as fortune teller: Jesus textually said things that later happened as he described. But following the teachings of Jesus is not intended to give christians insight into what will happen in the future.
In the sense of 'prophet' as having a connection to God, that would certainly describe Jesus, but from the way prophet is often used in the new testament to describe people falsely claiming to have that connection, I think many people would not use that description in that context.
Yes, I agree with you. I was just emphasizing that he “fits the description of a prophet” in the original sense of the term as well as in the modern definition.
Rabbi Lord Sacks (often rather CHUD adjacent, but occasionally eloquent) said that the difference between a prophecy and a prediction is that if successful, a prophecy doesn’t come true. That is, the purpose of a prophecy is to provide a threatening condition from God to change human behavior.
And also, I don't think this has anything to do with the obama quote that started this, but I wanted to defend that "Jesus wasn't a prophet" is a consistent view in christianity.
I'm not christian, but I'm familiar with the teaching, and I think I can argue against that.
However the messiah was described before birth, I don't think Jesus fits the description of a prophet. Either in the literal modern sense, or in the way each of them were described in the new testament.
As far as I'm aware, none of Jesus's miracles tell the future. They heal the sick and raise the dead, etc., but they don't make predictions. I believe there are cases where he says what he and/or God are about to do, but that's not really a prophecy.
Generally, the way 'the prophets' are described in the stories of Jesus is as a group of elite conservative elders making pronouncements. Jesus's job is to tell them how they are misinterpreting the word of God, and are misleading people.
If you have a strong opinion on another interpretation, I would be happy to hear it, but I probably will just defer to you and won't debate about it.
Edit to clarify what I'm saying here:
In the sense of 'prophet' as fortune teller: Jesus textually said things that later happened as he described. But following the teachings of Jesus is not intended to give christians insight into what will happen in the future.
In the sense of 'prophet' as having a connection to God, that would certainly describe Jesus, but from the way prophet is often used in the new testament to describe people falsely claiming to have that connection, I think many people would not use that description in that context.
Being a prophet in Judaism and Christianity isn’t about telling the future, it’s about having a message from God.
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Yes, I agree with you. I was just emphasizing that he “fits the description of a prophet” in the original sense of the term as well as in the modern definition.
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Rabbi Lord Sacks (often rather CHUD adjacent, but occasionally eloquent) said that the difference between a prophecy and a prediction is that if successful, a prophecy doesn’t come true. That is, the purpose of a prophecy is to provide a threatening condition from God to change human behavior.
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Didn’t he also prophesy the destruction of the 2nd temple?
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And also, I don't think this has anything to do with the obama quote that started this, but I wanted to defend that "Jesus wasn't a prophet" is a consistent view in christianity.