I can't fucking believe it. Draconian fucking country.

  • BolsheWitch [she/her, they/them]
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    3 年前

    “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision....” /-Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion

    Sounds like we need a new constitution then.

    :gui-better: :amerikkka: :red-fist:

    • WhyEssEff [she/her]
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      3 年前

      200 year old document can be interpreted misogynisticly? clearly it's the women's fault and not the ancient fucking text's :agony-shivering:

    • fox [comrade/them]
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      3 年前

      idk how anyone can be taken seriously if they're a judge and their entire set of principles is how well any modern law complies with a 200 year old document that was outdated before it was published

      • CheGueBeara [he/him]
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        3 年前

        They're cynical true believers, though. The originalist or limited interpretations are used highly selectively to meet whatever right wing goal they have in mind. The blatant nonsense is presented directly to them during argument and they choose to pretend it didn't exist or come up with a transparently inconsistent argument so that they can pretend to have addressed it.

        "This 200 year old document didn't say so explicitly so it doesn't count" is pretextual, and buying into the idea of the pretext as being the actual reason is part of what gives it power.

        • fox [comrade/them]
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          3 年前

          Yeah but that's because there's only one book about socialism and Marx wrote it. No other advances in theory since then.

    • LeninWalksTheWorld [any]
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      3 年前

      “The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions,” Alito writes.

      like yeah, this is true. this country's history and traditions fucking suck. its slavery and genocide. I'm sure according to the old as shit constitution there is nothing about abortion in there. but everyone knows why Roe v Wade exists and nobody pretends like we have (had) that slim layer of protection because it was what alexander fucking hamilton would have wanted. Row is so prominent because congress sucks shit and can't make a federal abortion law so the court kept it there to keep the issue out of state hands at a (slim) baseline. They are hiding their crimes behind ideology essentially

      • CyberMao [it/its]
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        3 年前

        Abortion’s been de-facto banned in a shit ton of states already. A lot of this is going to be the theatre of making a speech as we shut down the one clinic in the entire state who still provides abortions. It will absolutely fuck up other people’s lives, but in some states this is mostly for show just like Roe has been.

    • Parzivus [any]
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      3 年前

      when your entire moral system is based on the law but unironically apparently???

      • ElChapoDeChapo [he/him, comrade/them]
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        3 年前

        Argued with someone like that online once, wouldn't recommend the experience

        :wall-talk:

        He literally said things were wrong because they were illegal

        :doomer:

        • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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          3 年前

          He literally said things were wrong because they were illegal

          Does he hold the opposite to be true? Was the Holocaust morally good because it was perfectly legal under the laws of Nazi Germany?

          What he's espousing is called Legal Positivism and it was largely discredited following 1945 for obvious reasons.

          • ElChapoDeChapo [he/him, comrade/them]
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            3 年前

            I'm gonna guess :yea: because we were arguing about the concentration camps here in :amerikkka: and he kept saying illegal immigration was bad because it was illegal

      • 4zi [he/him, comrade/them]
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        3 年前

        The constitution makes no reference to me Minecrafting all of the scotus judges so therefore it’s not illegal

      • Bloobish [comrade/them]
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        3 年前

        By that right it also doesn't make reference to it not being illegal, but fuck y'all if you think that's what the party of "individual freedoms" will come up with. Burn this fucker down.

    • marzimpan [any]
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      3 年前

      9th Amendment: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage [other rights] retained by the people.

    • Quimby [any, any]
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      3 年前

      hell, setting aside a new constitution, the democrats have had numerous opportunities over the past 50 years to enshrine Roe in law, which would have completely preempted this challenge. they have consciously chosen not to do so.

      • CTHlurker [he/him]
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        3 年前

        Because only like 2/3s of the party even agrees with it. There are so many fucking pro-life democrats within the party that you would have to wonder if they recruited them specifically for the purpose of not doing shit.