Goddamn libs aren't willing to watch Lucas's Vietnam films or his "This is what happens to neoliberalism" films

  • PresterJohnBrown [any]
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    4 years ago

    The original trilogy is good, that's why it spawned two more trilogies that were awful and people still want more.

    • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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      The original trilogy is not good. Episode IV is...fine. episode V is actually really good, and episode VI is a flaming pile of garbage so slow and racist it makes the phantom menace look like masterpiece.

      • PresterJohnBrown [any]
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        "The original trilogy is not good except for the first two which are GREAT! idk man sounds like you also enjoyed the majority of the trilogy

  • deadtoddler420 [any]
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    4 years ago

    tbh the weirdest thing about the sequel trilogy is the lack of any sort of focus on the 'wars' aspect of it. i think it's an interesting reflection cause like, episode 7 is made between 2012 and 2015, it's premise is that the war from the original trilogy basically never ended, i think that's a pretty decent but also kinda horrifying reflection of how we see wars considering we've been fucking with the middle east since the first trilogy. episode 8 is made between 2014 and 2017, trump's presidential run and win is in the background during development but probably not during the writing stage, and while i don't think there's any direct link there you could maybe say the way in which no one really comprehended that shit happening is reflected by how sloppy the movie gets with theming at times. and then episode 9, the only one almost fully produced after trump wins, is just the biggest fucking mess, reflecting how liberal's brains were just broken and anyone who was a liberal in 2016 and still is has either done no reflection on it or actively chooses to live in denial.

  • Ezze [hy/hym,they/them]
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    4 years ago

    A New Hope is a transcendent* film for movie-making and Empire Strikes Back is one of the greatest films ever made while being the movie Lucas is least responsible for.

    *it really did break new ground

    • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I thought a new hope broke new ground, and then I watched Alien and realized they were just using the ground Alien broke to make an adventure flick.

  • bewts [he/him,comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    Lucas’s Vietnam films or his “This is what happens to neoliberalism” films

    Sorry what?

      • JudgeJuche [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Based. He calls America an evil colonial empire.

        Edit: I also appreciate this interview where Lucas says that Soviet filmmakers had more creative freedom than their American counterparts.

            • Darkmatter2k [none/use name]
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              main character is completely passive for 90% of the movie and I'm supposed to be sad that they're all going to die? speciel effect were ok though.

              • _else [she/her,they/them]
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                it's a reconstruction. all the normal star wars tropes are there. including a main character who basically does nothing but fuck up where somebody else wouldn't have. except she sort of has an excuse. and they all have great plot reasons for not being there.

                • Darkmatter2k [none/use name]
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                  4 years ago

                  I've watched the movie 3 times (2 with rifftrax) and its just boring, our female lead is basically put in a corner for most of the movie, and then at what was supposed to be the climax she gives a rousing speech and all I could think was, ohh yeah you're the protagonist. The trailers even showed her having a more rebelious nature and being more forcefull, but no had to be cut for cinema, can't scare the audience.

                  The final fight scenes were good. but it doesn't make a movie when the story is mostly a mess, lots of jumping between places to tell something that ultimately isn't that interesting, wierd space samurai that dont really do anything because we have to sell starwars to china (which is fine the formula is just a bit stale at this point), the movie felt completely tacked on and entirely missable by the end.

                  • science_pope [any]
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                    4 years ago

                    Ooh, there's a rifftrax? I might have to get that soon.

                  • _else [she/her,they/them]
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                    its far from perfect, but its literally the only star wars movie I found watchable. that said I very much have a soft spot for de/re-constructions for which I will overlook a lot.

  • kelptea [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    my hot take is that i love A New Hope on its own, and when watching pretend it ended there. it's a satisfying watch on its own imo! maybe i like endings that let you wonder about what happened next a bit too much

  • VolcelPolice [any]
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    4 years ago

    Star Wars is good, and I'm tired of pretending it's not

  • Owl [he/him]
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    A New Hope was very cool.

    Empire and Return are just standard heroes journey action movies that I'm sure were amazing if you saw them as a kid, but as an adult they're just pretty good movies.

    I appreciate the thing that Lucas wanted to do in the prequel trilogy but he did not succeed in doing it.

    • zangorn [none/use name]
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      44 minutes long? OK, here we go...I'll report back for those who can't sit through it.

  • ShroomunistTendancy [any]
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    no it isn't

    the force is awful why does it always create a balance? why not just make jedis and not the evil ones?

    they're deterministic no one has any choice in them

    every planet they go to is either an aristo ruled 'pleasure planet' dystopian hellhole or some desert nomad community perpetually bartering junk with each other in ramshackle markets and getting drunk & fighting in taverns

    are we supposed to root for the republic, that presumably let the universe get to this state? why do they follow aristos and monarchs?

    maybe i don't remember them well enough i might have got some stuff wrong. i just remember every one wanting someone to finally build a universe-destroying death star and just wipe the lot

    • AnarchoLeninist [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Same reason gravity doesn't simply not act on some things. The Jedi are a religious order that interprets the Force, mostly correctly I'd add, and a big part of Star Wars is the idea that you can reject or alter your destiny. Also yeah, it's class war, that's the point. The rich parts of the galaxy are literally called the Core.

      • Ezze [hy/hym,they/them]
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        4 years ago

        There's a theory that the major technological development made by the Star Wars universe and what is responsible for their current level of development and stagnation is that they solved gravity. It's how they can effortlessly park a Star Destroyer over a city or Luke's Landspeeder can float in the garage seemingly drawing little to no energy while maintaing lift.

  • doublepepperoni [none/use name]
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    The Lord of the Rings trilogy > Any of the Star Wars trilogies

    I never saw the original trilogy in its entirety as a kid, and when I watched them as an adult it was pretty easy to see why RoTJ was considered the low point of the series before Jar Jar Binks and midichlorians. The first two are pretty great, though