Imagine you live in the US and you have dual citizenship: American/Canadian. You have a job that allows travel. Considering the Christofascism that's coming...
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When would you move to Canada?
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If you stayed in the US - when might you realize you waited far too long and you had a "Oh, fuck - I'm the frog" moment?
I want to stay in the US and I live in a super-blue county in a blue state. But I don't want to become the frog. I have such dual citizenship and moving is doable for me provided I plan as far ahead as possible. I don't expect Canada to be nirvana but I fear the worst for the US.
Identity wise I'm pretty privileged, so I see it as my my duty to stick it out in the US. Most people won't be able to get out, I'm gonna stay here and continue to struggle, come hell or high water.
If you do need to get out, I wouldn't go to Canada. If you expect US to get that bad, Canada won't be far behind.
I feel kinda like you do. Plus there's a small fact that my ancestors have lived in parts of this country for like 10,000+ years. I feel a vague sense of loyalty to the land and it's stewardship.
what are you worried about? Becoming a political prisoner? We will organize the prisons like the IRA. Getting shot by a cop or a right wing paramilitary? That's already a threat even if you aren't causing any trouble.
leaving may be a good option for some people, like if you are worried about a health issue (trans healthcare might be extremely difficult to find here soon for example) or an active fugitive, but you shouldn't go into exile to primarily protect your personal comfort. we have a vital revolution to organize here, in the imperial core, where the fate of all of humanity will be decided: socialism or barbarism. I'm not planning on sitting on the sidelines in such an important fight. Chrisofascism is not inevitable, that's defeatism, what is inevitable is conflict and class warfare. There will be no fascism if we win that fight.
If I was in your situation I'd probably just establish a little hideout in Canada you can go to in a worse case situation. A cabin in the woods or something.
When would you move to Canada?
Yesterday
If you stayed in the US - when might you realize you waited far too long and you had a “Oh, fuck - I’m the frog” moment?
It depends if you are one of the groups affected by recent decisions and what/how they will affect you or those close to you. I don't know what your red line is, but there's a nonzero chance the Rubicon has already been crossed.
Just remember that moving to Canada is only a temporary reprieve. They will come for Canada as well.
You stay in the US and organize to fight the American regime because you're a communist, not a coward.
im dual czech/american and honestly if i marry my bf and get a good remote job im booking it back to czechia. been applying but i have a feeling everyone is digging through my records and noticing im trans so i dont get the jobs ever despite going through the review process till the very end x_x im also worried about marrying the bf and documents and stuff on the czech side and how the fuck thatd work
and i know that problem wont be much better in czechi :\
It's not going to stay in just the US. Expect it's allies to follow. Australia is already banning peaceful protest.
Australia has always been the most eager follower of American facism though.
When would you move to Canada?
In terms of self-preservation: immediately if there are no other factors keeping you in the US.
If you stayed in the US - when might you realize you waited far too long and you had a “Oh, fuck - I’m the frog” moment?
When the Brownshirts are organized and patrolling and nobody is stopping them.
With that said, there's still time to do organizing work before the status quo shifts substantially. That status quo is already bad, so I understand people wanting to leave, though.
there’s still time to do organizing work
At this point I think having sympathetic comrades outside of the US is at least as important as having them in the US. We need to start thinking about escape routes for the most vulnerable.
Didn't Canada just have a big "anti-vax trucker" thing courtesy of their own domestic chuds... and they have their own crazy Conservatives?
Not to be a doomer, but how much of this is really just "the grass is always greener?"
Its still greener.
Klanada still has many of the same issues that the US does, but not nearly to the same degree.
The healthcare in canada has many problems, but for the most part you won't be bankrupt and in a debtors prison for getting cancer.
Way less chance of dying just across the board
A (relatively) normal supreme court with a mandatory retirement age.
A constitution that was written in the 80s and not 250 years ago
More than 2 political parties ( sort of)
Still has deep seated structure racism, and rising costs of living and a housing crisis and its cold.
If I had a ticket out of the US I would’ve already used it
tf are you still doing here my dude
the waters gettin spicy
When would you move to Canada?
If I could have left by now, I would have. I just don't see how I can get through immigration. For a specific date, probably when Bush pushed hard on anti-gay policy and won in 2004.
If you stayed in the US - when might you realize you waited far too long and you had a “Oh, fuck - I’m the frog” moment?
I already feel that way. I'm queer and in the south. I saw Thomas' opinion. They're coming after gay marriage and sodomy. Maybe not this year or next, but they're coming and the Dems won't stop them. At minimum, I have to move to a different state. I can't in good conscience put down long-term roots in a place that will absolutely outlaw those things the first chance they get. Even then, it's really just hoping that there's enough resistance to the GOP to keep them from enacting federal bans on them all.
MOVE, MOTHERFUCKER! Seriously, do it as soon as humanly possible.
