The conservative movement basically just accomplished almost every long-term aim that has animated them since the 60s and brought the modern movement into existence - school prayer, abortion, public funding for private and religious schools. By next week they will gut the ability for executive branch federal agencies to do literally anything and probably illegalize gay marriage again (they will next year for sure if not now). Senator Cornyn absolutely is not bluffing when he expressed the desire to see Brown v Board overturned too - they'll go after that as soon as they think they can, probably next year, because one of their ultimate aims is to literally do segregation again. And if Charles Koch has anything to say about it (he very much does) they'll pull as back to Gilded Age jurisprudence and strip every single labor law and regulation of its teeth.
We're in fuckin 1320 motherfucker. You are a serf. Bitch, you live in Alsace. You are a peasant. You need to give your fuckin' lord the grain. Your fucking children, you've had 15 children. You've never taken a bath. You've literally never. washed. your. penis. You've never used toilet paper. Motherfucker, you have worms. You are dying. You've had 40 children, 3 of them are alive. 2 of them are child soldiers in the Duke's army.
Thats fine all all this will do is make violent working class movments inevitable and now we will have the stronger knowledge to kill the next FDR instead of letting them prevent the revolution that is desperately needed
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The chuds are riping apart the stabilizing reforms of captlism it doesn't matter how much police state they throw at us, soon enough our numbers will overwhelm them.
its like reverse Richard Nixon moment, but yeah I'm trying to cope right now so yeah its not Fine but I gotta operate like it is fine so I can function :joker-shopping:
I think violent labor resistance is much less feasible now. The disparity in weapons between the left and right, the people and the state, and the state's willingness to use violence on citizens makes violent resistance harder to accomplish and far fewer people willing to imagine it happening. I think in the back (or front) of their minds libs have already accept a fascist theocratic future where they profit off the immense suffering of a broad underclass (because naturally THEY wouldn't be part of it).
In the short term, yes, we're not ready, but I don't think it's as bad as people say.
The military is significantly more liberal than the popular view, especially in the officer corps, and a bunch of those are going to be increasingly radicalised both in and after leaving the military. As things move into "bleeding Kansas" we're gonna see a rise in armed members of the left. The key difficulty here is linking that to organised labour.
So, firstly, the Officer Corps, in most nations is by default moderately conservative. They like the status quo, and they hate Fascists because they do dumb shit that makes war hard. This usually filters down to influencing the enlisted ranks, who generally split more radically left or right depending on material conditions of the soldier strata. The median US officer in 2000 is not a rabid chud, but an Eisenhower Republican and thinks the Republican party still caters to those.
The enlisted military until 2000 was mostly Rural Conservatives and a split of Urban Conservatives and Urban Social Democrats roughly in thirds, with the latter either being people of colour or union worker's families. The fuck up of the 2000s ended up polarising this divide, with about a 50/50 radicalisation split, but a good chunk radicalising to the left left the military because of this. The remnants were those that can stomach it, ie. Liberals.
The officer corps also polarised, with the Army surprisingly breaking mostly left under the strain of realising they're the baddies, the Navy not caring, and the Airforce going full utter fash as Air Forces everywhere love to do. But this took time to filter through the ranks, since the Nixon/Regan era senior officers were still in power.
The increase in women in the armed forces also altered the balance hard towards the liberal side of the calculus, and continues to.
Finally, Trump screwed up the contracting gravy train with his less hawkish policy, pissed off military members with half a conscience by doing things like fucking over the Kurds (there was, apparently, almost a mass resignation of the officer corps over letting Turkey have Rojava.), and generally annoyed people with his dumb ideas. This resulted in the Armed forces voting majority democratic in 2020 for the first time ever.
Now, this doesn't mean the army is a bunch of communists, they still lean slightly to the right of the American political centre, but they want to keep the wheels turning, and this has caused them to adopt the default centrist liberal nature of a normal government department. This means they'll break against the chuds...probably...except for the air force, who, joy, have most of the nukes.
Ultimately though I think things are going to come down to the personal beliefs of the field commanders and their ability to command personal loyalty from their troops. The chain of command is going to become increasingly ossified at both military and civilian levels.
Wouldn't surprise me if the long game is 1780s, to bring back OG slavery, not the prison slavery that currently exists.
We have some rabid monarchist theocrats around. Just watch, the next trick with be to codify something that limits it to a certain branch of Christian prayer when Muslims in Dearborn start prayer in schools and scare the fundies.
I don't see why they wouldn't continue the prison slavery thing because the US has shown it's willing to mass-incarcerate and to criminalize literally anything to make it happen. Like if you make homelessness, protests, etc. illegal then you got millions of people who can be arrested and un-personed by society and the establishment. Gives everyone a "don't' do crime and you won't get imprisoned" thin excuse, which is all anyone needs to do or support the worst things imaginable.
Right, they can't just copy the previous fascists homework, they have to change a few things around to make their ideals look original so they can just tell all the "debate" libs that this is nothing like the past
Right, that was one of the initial big draws of moving toward capitalism.
When the Americas were first colonized they just worked the Indigenous slaves right to death, gave as little fucks about maintenance even left them out in the elements (or so some account went,this was more CenAm), yes disease played a role as well in mass killing, when the labor provided was too low since they genocided too many people then they started importing Africans which was more costly. Early colonizers had this absolutely nasty view indigenous slaves were seen as free gifts of nature, some inconsequential part of the land they conquered. Genocide was considered no differently than clearing the land for settlers and if you look in journals of the assholes at the time they wax poetic on that horrific shit. Collapsing US will share in this view, we're all seen as part of the resources they have on hand rather than humans.
It wouldn't surprise me if US history ends similarly to its beginning because of its highest developed fascism being a wonton colonialist death cult, and also so inept at containing its contradictions that it takes us back to pre-feudal period in futile hopes of again giving birth to bourgeois-aristocracy at a later time. It's not exactly a fully rational decision, its more of a reaction and cope. At least that's my thoughts on it so far, I'm no expert.
The conservative movement basically just accomplished almost every long-term aim that has animated them since the 60s and brought the modern movement into existence - school prayer, abortion, public funding for private and religious schools. By next week they will gut the ability for executive branch federal agencies to do literally anything and probably illegalize gay marriage again (they will next year for sure if not now). Senator Cornyn absolutely is not bluffing when he expressed the desire to see Brown v Board overturned too - they'll go after that as soon as they think they can, probably next year, because one of their ultimate aims is to literally do segregation again. And if Charles Koch has anything to say about it (he very much does) they'll pull as back to Gilded Age jurisprudence and strip every single labor law and regulation of its teeth.
We're going back to the 80s, baby. The 1880s.
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Sauce for the uninitiated
Thats fine all all this will do is make violent working class movments inevitable and now we will have the stronger knowledge to kill the next FDR instead of letting them prevent the revolution that is desperately needed . The chuds are riping apart the stabilizing reforms of captlism it doesn't matter how much police state they throw at us, soon enough our numbers will overwhelm them.
It's not fine but I agree nonetheless. Whether we like it or not we are all accelerationists now.
its like reverse Richard Nixon moment, but yeah I'm trying to cope right now so yeah its not Fine but I gotta operate like it is fine so I can function :joker-shopping:
What do you mean by a Richard Nixon moment?
I've had many moments, I'm an accomplished bastard
Zoom!
I think violent labor resistance is much less feasible now. The disparity in weapons between the left and right, the people and the state, and the state's willingness to use violence on citizens makes violent resistance harder to accomplish and far fewer people willing to imagine it happening. I think in the back (or front) of their minds libs have already accept a fascist theocratic future where they profit off the immense suffering of a broad underclass (because naturally THEY wouldn't be part of it).
In the short term, yes, we're not ready, but I don't think it's as bad as people say.
The military is significantly more liberal than the popular view, especially in the officer corps, and a bunch of those are going to be increasingly radicalised both in and after leaving the military. As things move into "bleeding Kansas" we're gonna see a rise in armed members of the left. The key difficulty here is linking that to organised labour.
Can you elaborate on this?
Sure.
So, firstly, the Officer Corps, in most nations is by default moderately conservative. They like the status quo, and they hate Fascists because they do dumb shit that makes war hard. This usually filters down to influencing the enlisted ranks, who generally split more radically left or right depending on material conditions of the soldier strata. The median US officer in 2000 is not a rabid chud, but an Eisenhower Republican and thinks the Republican party still caters to those.
The enlisted military until 2000 was mostly Rural Conservatives and a split of Urban Conservatives and Urban Social Democrats roughly in thirds, with the latter either being people of colour or union worker's families. The fuck up of the 2000s ended up polarising this divide, with about a 50/50 radicalisation split, but a good chunk radicalising to the left left the military because of this. The remnants were those that can stomach it, ie. Liberals.
The officer corps also polarised, with the Army surprisingly breaking mostly left under the strain of realising they're the baddies, the Navy not caring, and the Airforce going full utter fash as Air Forces everywhere love to do. But this took time to filter through the ranks, since the Nixon/Regan era senior officers were still in power.
The increase in women in the armed forces also altered the balance hard towards the liberal side of the calculus, and continues to.
Finally, Trump screwed up the contracting gravy train with his less hawkish policy, pissed off military members with half a conscience by doing things like fucking over the Kurds (there was, apparently, almost a mass resignation of the officer corps over letting Turkey have Rojava.), and generally annoyed people with his dumb ideas. This resulted in the Armed forces voting majority democratic in 2020 for the first time ever.
Now, this doesn't mean the army is a bunch of communists, they still lean slightly to the right of the American political centre, but they want to keep the wheels turning, and this has caused them to adopt the default centrist liberal nature of a normal government department. This means they'll break against the chuds...probably...except for the air force, who, joy, have most of the nukes.
Ultimately though I think things are going to come down to the personal beliefs of the field commanders and their ability to command personal loyalty from their troops. The chain of command is going to become increasingly ossified at both military and civilian levels.
Great breakdown and explanation, thank you!
My comrade in Christ, if shit goes down now the fascists will simply murder us.
We need to be organizing and we need time to grow.
Wouldn't surprise me if the long game is 1780s, to bring back OG slavery, not the prison slavery that currently exists.
We have some rabid monarchist theocrats around. Just watch, the next trick with be to codify something that limits it to a certain branch of Christian prayer when Muslims in Dearborn start prayer in schools and scare the fundies.
I don't see why they wouldn't continue the prison slavery thing because the US has shown it's willing to mass-incarcerate and to criminalize literally anything to make it happen. Like if you make homelessness, protests, etc. illegal then you got millions of people who can be arrested and un-personed by society and the establishment. Gives everyone a "don't' do crime and you won't get imprisoned" thin excuse, which is all anyone needs to do or support the worst things imaginable.
Filling prisons with actual leftists capable of radicalizing people seems like it might backfire.
Right, they can't just copy the previous fascists homework, they have to change a few things around to make their ideals look original so they can just tell all the "debate" libs that this is nothing like the past
With all these abortion prosecutions coming down m, they’ll have even more exploitable labor.
I was thinking it would be more like the late 1800's or early 1900's, but your estimate sounds like it could happen too at this rate.
No actual slavery, but still kkk and Jim crow, and like 5 capitalists own the entire economy. Seems what they want openly
Way more expensive to maintain slaves alive than it is to just give workers pocket change then blame it on them if they can't live off of it
Right, that was one of the initial big draws of moving toward capitalism.
When the Americas were first colonized they just worked the Indigenous slaves right to death, gave as little fucks about maintenance even left them out in the elements (or so some account went,this was more CenAm), yes disease played a role as well in mass killing, when the labor provided was too low since they genocided too many people then they started importing Africans which was more costly. Early colonizers had this absolutely nasty view indigenous slaves were seen as free gifts of nature, some inconsequential part of the land they conquered. Genocide was considered no differently than clearing the land for settlers and if you look in journals of the assholes at the time they wax poetic on that horrific shit. Collapsing US will share in this view, we're all seen as part of the resources they have on hand rather than humans.
It wouldn't surprise me if US history ends similarly to its beginning because of its highest developed fascism being a wonton colonialist death cult, and also so inept at containing its contradictions that it takes us back to pre-feudal period in futile hopes of again giving birth to bourgeois-aristocracy at a later time. It's not exactly a fully rational decision, its more of a reaction and cope. At least that's my thoughts on it so far, I'm no expert.
But with significantly worse fashion sense.
I wonder what their excuse will be. “Uhhh not the founding fathers’ vision”
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I mean, it very clearly wasn't the founding fathers vision. That being said, the founding fathers were slaveowning scum
Many, many people are saying this, folks. They're no good! We say, 'thanks for the country, but we'll take it from here,' okay?