Major CW for some truly vile shit including sexual assault threats, enbyphobia, and other generally horrific reactionary seething from a supposed socialist.
I dared to mildly criticize Chapo in the most recent /r/bwf comments for purposefully misgendering Ezra Miller and my notifs have been filled with some pretty remarkable stuff for the past 2 days. The worst of it came from this supposed trans sex worker. I’ve blocked my own username for privacy. For context, I am also trans and mentioned that I have done fs sex work.
Oh I saw that comment thread, that shit was awful. It really does feel like gender when your trans is totally provisional and cissies, even nominally socialist "allies", get to just withdraw that from us whenever they feel like we crossed a line.
What Ezra did was awful. I guess it's a good vibe check for how seriously culture takes transness when awful people are also trans. Reminds me of people who call black criminals the n word and say they don't "deserve" the respect of not having a hateful slur thrown their way.
All the good chapo posters came here I guess. What remained was our gross outer chrysalid stupidpol and infrared style people.
So many people in there trying to build a dumb “why show them any respect with pronouns if they’re bad people lol” argument immediately freeze up and stop responding when you simply ask “do you purposefully misgender Caitlyn Jenner.” the Chapo enbyphobia is finally bubbling to the surface
This is what happens when you tolerate bigots and don’t ban transphobes
What’s crazy to me though is that this shit came from a trans person. Her replies to me in the thread (before she deleted them) were also awful and these dms are borderline psychotic
Lateral violence is a bitch. We all hang together in the lgbtq+ mafia or we all hang apart and the same goes for all oppressed people and the working class as a whole.
I’ve unfortunately seen more than a couple trans people on social media who basically deny the existence of non-binary people, and almost take NBs existing as an attack on their trans-ness
It’s gross
Just the next frontier once TERFdom falls out of fashion.
There's always another group of people to vilify if you're willing to look hard enough.
Reminds me of people who call black criminals the n word and say they don’t “deserve” the respect of not having a hateful slur thrown their way.
I've used this as an argument to get people to check themselves before they intentionally misgender shitty trans people but it would not surprise me if some of them genuinely think it's okay to slur other minorities when someone is a terrible person
It’s literally a common phrase I heard in my shitty rural hometown growing up. “There’s a difference between a black person and a n*****.” The implication being black people are only allowed to exist if they assimilate into white culture and also never break any laws or social norms or do literally anything to draw attention to their existence.
It’s literally a common phrase I heard in my shitty rural hometown growing up.
There was a whole Chris Rock stand-up routine around it. Chappelle and Key&Peele have echoes the sentiment more recently. One reason why 80s/90s comedy and its consequences resulted in such reactionary trash.
The lesson of the era was that you could just reframe bigotry as immorality or criminality and make it ok, again. So the white working poor became White Trash, unemployed black people were re-christened n-words, migrants who couldn't speak English were labeled a host of slurs, anyone without a college education and a white collar job was de-humanized, teenagers were de-humanized, the LGBT community was de-humanized...
At its worst, it doesn't matter if you do adhere to all the social norms. You're just disguising yourself so you can stab the Righteous People in the back as soon as their guard is down. So everyone always has to constantly be on the look out for people overstepping their caste.
I think there’s definitely a conversation to be had about the way Ezra cynically uses queer identify to shield themself from criticisms of their behavior that could be described as toxically masculine, as somebody pointed out in the original bwf comment thread. does that convo need to question or deny their identity, of course not
I've never had good experiences with truscum. Fuck Ezra but using their pronouns as a political weapon legitimizes using pronouns as a political weapon for all of us. These people love talking about "image" until they have to deal with the fact that we're never going to be good enough for cis people in a capitalist society. They're already in the process of throwing us under the bus.
:this:
fuck assimilationism, fuck being "one of the good ones", fuck bowing down to cissies' fascist sensibilities
There is an op currently ongoing by kiwifarms and other far right groups targeting non-binary as a non-existent identity.
It will be the discourse for a little while, and then it will die down. You will notice a lot more noise about this is currently happening than usual, it is an op. Most of the people you are interacting with who are trying to really target NB people specifically are probably fascists.
depressing to see Chapo buying into it. kinda suspected they were probably ironypoisoned about enbies for a while but it's sad to finally get it confirmed at a time when trans people are getting targeted more than ever
I don't understand why there are people that supported trans identities that don't support NB people. It makes me sus that the support for trans identities is fake.
It's like "sure I support trans people... but also there are only two genders and if you don't identify with either I will reject your humanity"
Yeah, I don't get that shit. If rejecting people's humanity is your reaction when someone's identity is not something that you fully understand or comprehend because you just can't relate to it then I frankly do not trust you as a person or a comrade.
The right to dignity should be the central thesis of modern communist theory. The right to dignity provides all identities, families, cultures and religions with protection from.... This shit.
If liberty is the strapline of capitalism, dignity should be the strapline of socialism. If you're not down with providing all people people with dignity regardless of whether you understand them or not then I am suspicious of you. All people should be able to live as they want to live provided it is with dignity and does not infringe on the dignity of others.
Cis people do not have to understand, they just need to support trans people,
IDK what causes it but people get extremely upset about anything new and different from what they know. It's really upsetting because how much less threatening or upsetting could someone be than being non binary? It's not a threat to anyone, it doesn't cause anyone any problems, but people go berserk because they've encountered something novel that is strange to them.
It’s honestly embarrassing and when I see that kind of limited thinking I immediately discount the person as worth associating with
It feels like the same mechanism that older people used to have 20 years ago when asked to learn how to use a word processor or internet browser works. Just a visceral negative reaction to being expected to learn literally anything new. Not being able to use the VCR remote was a common meme about tech-phobes and it was never inability that was the problem but just plain blunt refusal to learn because it causes an aggressively negative reaction in them.
Maybe what we need is a drive to make learning new things a cool and positive thing to counteract it? I don't know. Something must be able to get around it.
I can tell you the idea behind it provided you don't take this as an endorsement from me. They supposedly believe that enbies are using the trans struggle to distance themselves from oppressor identity markers. The concept is that predatory men will use their adopted trans status to shutdown any conversation about their privilege and as a shield for their toxic beliefs. Essentially, they think people are claiming the enby identity in bad faith.
I think there is a kernel of truth to it. I don't doubt that there are reactionaries who will attempt to take advantage of this "new" identity marker to distract from their oppressor traits, but ultimately, so what? There is no way to identify them short of reading their diaries or something, and we can call them out for being shitty people without questioning whether they've fully internalized the identity they claim. It takes almost zero extra effort to avoid misgendering someone while dunking on them.
That’s how I view it as well. Shows that they’re just liberals “pretending” to flip a binary switch in their smooth heads. Absolute clowns. This is not a difficult subject to parse, they’re just bigots.
There is like this much leeway in case they've only heard of it from dismissive sources or only in media so they don't really get it. First time I heard about it I didn't get it at all, but then I saw more stuff about it from non-binary people and it made sense then.
They functionally did. Reddit very explicitly tore down all the digital infrastructure on their site and stood up a bunch of generic crap in its place. Hexbear was built in the aftermath as were a bunch of other alternative social media venues.
They kicked the ant mound and we scattered. Its a story as old as leftist organizing and reactionary response.
Not surprising that fash are trying to use this situation with Ezra as an excuse to attack non-binary people. Full solidarity with all of our trans comrades.
:anarchy-trans:
Wierd logic there
I mean i hate obama but im not calling him the nword
I mean i hate obama but im not calling him the nword
that person: '..........well, now that you mention it.....'
:yikes-1::yikes-2::yikes-3:
i knew people weren't going to react well to ezra miller doing this shit, but it still sucks that people are using their awful actions as a wedge to try and attack non-binary people as a whole, and that they keep getting misgendered by so many people.
Jesus, the chapos misgendered Ezra? Why? They’re a fucking asshole, but that’s not a free pass for transphobia
The worst thing is you know that they're never going to address it or acknowledge they did anything wrong, and if anything their ironypoisoning would just make them double down on another episode if they even ever saw my comment or someone brought it up to them
What meant by this: "Your self-identification as a non-binary person will only be respected until we don't like you. Then we will go mask off in the vilest fashion."
Ezra Miller is a horrible person. They are also non-binary. These two facts are not related to each other.
Reminds me of the folks who call you racist for trashing Thomas Sowell.
Tragically, people of all 'races' can be wrong.
Especially the guy who said, "I've seen no hard evidence (that Trump is a racist)"
I want to be mad at Sowell, but he's the closest a black person has every come to drowning one's soul in bleach until he's destroyed every last hint of color or vestige of humanity. Dude's one of the whitest people I've ever known.
Damn, I’m always willing to prove how real I am.
Sucks what you went through
ty comrade :meow-tankie: it's pretty heartening to get so much love here after the hellscape of :reddit-logo: Idk why I genuinely didn't think the reaction there would be this toxic, especially with how mild my comment actually was
Something else which I find pretty fascinating that I haven’t really seen anyone bring up yet is the whole “you’re not a sw” part coupled with “have fun being r*ped for money”. From what I can tell, this person is a digital sex worker, specifically audio and pictures. I have done fs sex work before so I brought it up in response. My question is what did she mean by this? That somehow fs sex work isn’t real sex work, or less real than digital sex work? Or digital sex work is somehow less dehumanizing? What does this meaaaaaaaan
I was going to point this out way earlier today but felt the way i was going to word my ridicule would be problematic, so i returned to doing the job i am employed for
so i returned to doing the job i am employed for
FYI, this was a mistake - work sucked today
What does this meaaaaaaaan
It means they're mad and they'll say anything in an effort to injure you in reprisal.
Does fs mean "full sex"? I'm sorry, I'm not super up to date on sw terms. I read the original comment as saying your weren't a real star wars.
I've never listened to a whole Chapo episode and you can't make me learn who Ezra Miller is. You responded well.
Using the Ludovico technique to make you watch Harry Potter spin-offs and Justice League.
This is the same person whose account features r*pe fetishism, by the way
