i want to say australia, the uk and japan are the top three, tnetatively in that order, but you could probably fit klanada in there instead.

  • PasswordRememberer [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    1000% agree. Japan and Fake Korea are the only two "developed" countries I would never move to bc life there is actually worse than in Amerikkka

    Death to America

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Japan definitely has its problems but a ridiculous level of safety from violent crime and extremely high quality affordable healthcare probably puts it above America still.

      In terms of work hours, OECD stats puts Japan at well below the US, below the OECD average, and even below countries that are generally thought to be "relaxed" like Spain, Portugal, and Italy.

      The main issue with working in Japan is that there are some companies, locally called "black companies", which egregiously violate overtime laws as a matter of policy.

      • PasswordRememberer [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        True, from a quality of life POV it would definitely be an improvement. But I feel like the feeling of doom and futurelessness that's so pervasive in the US is probably also a problem in Japan. To be clear, I'm basing this purely on vibes, not any data. But I feel like the widespread sense that nothing will ever improve is probably more of a problem there than, say, Portugal. Maybe I'm just an ignorant Yankkkee but based on my brief travels in Japan it feels accurate.

        Personally, if I'm going to move away from the US, I wouldn't want to move to a country with such similarly bummer vibes

        Death to America

        • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          But I feel like the feeling of doom and futurelessness that’s so pervasive in the US is probably also a problem in Japan. To be clear, I’m basing this purely on vibes, not any data.

          Yeah, vibes are pretty hard to quantify, especially across vastly different cultures. In my personal experience, the doom and gloom is much less prevalent (and frustrating) than the grill pilled political apathy.

          Still, no one should tell you how to feel about moving to another country, so best of luck escaping from that American hellscape.

      • SoylentSnake [he/him, they/them]
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        2 years ago

        Do you have links for the Japanese work hours stuff, specifically the average being lower than the countries you listed? Not challenging you, just for my own curiosity and learning. It's such a well worn stereotype about Japan that I'd like to look into it more.

      • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
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        2 years ago

        That probably breaks down when you look at demographics. Most women can only get part time jobs because they're supposed to become mothers and older people have pretty steady work, but a lot of college kids end up getting sucked directly into black companies and being burned out, so the overall hours look fine but when you look at young people they either get bad work with okay hours or abysmal work with terrible hours.

        • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Yeah that is a factor. That said, it's also probably relevant to consider that salaries and cost of living are such that a large portion of the population can work part time and still have the family budget balance.

          The other relevant thing to consider is that the stat might also be affected by a higher proportion of elderly people and students doing part time work. However, it's not really clear how much any of these factors skews the data and I wish I had access to a proper study that controlled for these things.

          • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
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            2 years ago

            I saw some papers, not sure if I can share them so feel free not to believe me. Elderly people aren't doing part time work in Japan by and large. Mosf women are housewives from older generations, and men thay haven't retired or died are still working full time. A family budget only works out if two young adults without kids or parent to care for both work part time, someone needs to work full time for it to work. Japan is still set up around one housewife and one breadwinner. By the time a lot of men are stable enough to look for wives and have stopped being picky, they and the woman feel to old to have kids, driving up the population crisis.

            • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              Yeah that seems about right. I guess my point was that the OECD stats are derived by dividing up all hours worked by number of workers. That means that it could be skewed by there being more part time workers by percentage of population than other countries. If that's not the case, then barring something like failure in data gathering methodology, Japanese working times aren't quite the unmitigated hellscape most people think they are.