i want to say australia, the uk and japan are the top three, tnetatively in that order, but you could probably fit klanada in there instead.

  • ClimateChangeAnxiety [he/him, they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Australia is absolutely top of the list.

    There are a few contenders for second and third though. Bad Korea has to be in the running along with the UK, Canada, and Japan.

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Bad Korea and Japan at least hypothetically have immediate security interests to protect, at least from their own perspective. The UK is the dead corpse of an Empire playing at it's old glories so it'd probably be doing insane shit even without the US.

      Canada and Australia are both extremely insulated from any possibility of war or violence but are still trying to start shit with China over nothing. Of the two, Australia has far more to lose economically, so I think by process of elimination the Aussies are fucking up the hardest.

    • dinklesplein [any, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      maybe im wrong but i seem to recall that the great satan has less support in occupied korea than the other three.

      • ClimateChangeAnxiety [he/him, they/them]
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        2 years ago

        My reason for putting them is that even though the people like :amerikkka: less, they also get the least benefit out of being a part of the empire. :ukkk: :kkkanada: :aus-delenda-est: all (at least until recently) get the full benefits of living in the imperial core, and are much better places to live than the US itself. They get healthcare, reasonable work conditions and time off, etc.

        Occupied Korea on the other hand don’t even get that, they get overworked to the point of having an insanely high suicide rate. They looked at all of :amerikkka:’s worst problems and said “let’s turn that to 11.” :japan-cool: is in a similar situation, but it seems less hellish than SK

        Australia definitely wins though, no other country is so willing to light their own economy on fire and completely work against their own interest just to appease the Yankees. Imagine starting a trade war with your largest trade partner who’s also the nearest superpower just because America asked you to lmfao

        • PasswordRememberer [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          1000% agree. Japan and Fake Korea are the only two "developed" countries I would never move to bc life there is actually worse than in Amerikkka

          Death to America

          • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            Japan definitely has its problems but a ridiculous level of safety from violent crime and extremely high quality affordable healthcare probably puts it above America still.

            In terms of work hours, OECD stats puts Japan at well below the US, below the OECD average, and even below countries that are generally thought to be "relaxed" like Spain, Portugal, and Italy.

            The main issue with working in Japan is that there are some companies, locally called "black companies", which egregiously violate overtime laws as a matter of policy.

            • PasswordRememberer [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              True, from a quality of life POV it would definitely be an improvement. But I feel like the feeling of doom and futurelessness that's so pervasive in the US is probably also a problem in Japan. To be clear, I'm basing this purely on vibes, not any data. But I feel like the widespread sense that nothing will ever improve is probably more of a problem there than, say, Portugal. Maybe I'm just an ignorant Yankkkee but based on my brief travels in Japan it feels accurate.

              Personally, if I'm going to move away from the US, I wouldn't want to move to a country with such similarly bummer vibes

              Death to America

              • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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                2 years ago

                But I feel like the feeling of doom and futurelessness that’s so pervasive in the US is probably also a problem in Japan. To be clear, I’m basing this purely on vibes, not any data.

                Yeah, vibes are pretty hard to quantify, especially across vastly different cultures. In my personal experience, the doom and gloom is much less prevalent (and frustrating) than the grill pilled political apathy.

                Still, no one should tell you how to feel about moving to another country, so best of luck escaping from that American hellscape.

            • SoylentSnake [he/him, they/them]
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              2 years ago

              Do you have links for the Japanese work hours stuff, specifically the average being lower than the countries you listed? Not challenging you, just for my own curiosity and learning. It's such a well worn stereotype about Japan that I'd like to look into it more.

            • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
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              2 years ago

              That probably breaks down when you look at demographics. Most women can only get part time jobs because they're supposed to become mothers and older people have pretty steady work, but a lot of college kids end up getting sucked directly into black companies and being burned out, so the overall hours look fine but when you look at young people they either get bad work with okay hours or abysmal work with terrible hours.

              • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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                2 years ago

                Yeah that is a factor. That said, it's also probably relevant to consider that salaries and cost of living are such that a large portion of the population can work part time and still have the family budget balance.

                The other relevant thing to consider is that the stat might also be affected by a higher proportion of elderly people and students doing part time work. However, it's not really clear how much any of these factors skews the data and I wish I had access to a proper study that controlled for these things.

                • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
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                  2 years ago

                  I saw some papers, not sure if I can share them so feel free not to believe me. Elderly people aren't doing part time work in Japan by and large. Mosf women are housewives from older generations, and men thay haven't retired or died are still working full time. A family budget only works out if two young adults without kids or parent to care for both work part time, someone needs to work full time for it to work. Japan is still set up around one housewife and one breadwinner. By the time a lot of men are stable enough to look for wives and have stopped being picky, they and the woman feel to old to have kids, driving up the population crisis.

                  • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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                    2 years ago

                    Yeah that seems about right. I guess my point was that the OECD stats are derived by dividing up all hours worked by number of workers. That means that it could be skewed by there being more part time workers by percentage of population than other countries. If that's not the case, then barring something like failure in data gathering methodology, Japanese working times aren't quite the unmitigated hellscape most people think they are.

        • AFineWayToDie [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          I feel lack Canada's lack of a cohesive national identity (beyond "hockey" and "we're not the US") makes us more susceptible to reactionary expat agendas. Stepan Bandera's grandson is a producer at one of our biggest news media orgs. I always see Epoch Times for sale at the grocery store. And the whole "Victims of Communism Memorial" is a fascist money-laundering scheme.

          We're fresh meat for a fascist institution like NATO.

    • CliffordBigRedDog [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      the thing about Australia is that they're doing this out of pure racism

      they, unlike the US have zero geopolitical interests to oppose China, their biggest trade partner by far, they will truck along just fine if not better in a China-dominated Pacific

  • Straight_Depth [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Close, but the saddest ones have to be the poorest, imperial periphery states that were/are little more than colonies to this day. This includes a large swath of Eastern Europe and Asia. You've been little more than slaves and colonies your whole existence and now you're at the beck and call of your new masters? Sad! Looking at you, Czechia and Poland. You've got the gall to say you were Soviet colonies, so you just replaced one nuclear armed superpower as your master with another. Beyond cucked

    • Nounverb [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Poland was the reason for the UK leaving the EU so it's incredibly funny to me that they still pretend to have good relations with them

    • dinklesplein [any, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      tbh i define cucked as being able to pursue a somewhat independent foreign policy yet still bowing to the us regardless, which is why i didn't consider those imperial periphery states, but if you take cucked to just mean reliance then i can agree with that.

      • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
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        2 years ago

        I think cucked requires intentional obedience to being screwed over. You're not into cuckholdry if your spouse is having an affair and you don't know about it, or you found out and are angry and dissolving the marriage because of it.

  • a_fanonist_hexagon [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I'm gonna have to go with Germany getting absolutely wrecked by sanctions and compelled to like build new ports to import lng from the US

    • dinklesplein [any, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      before sanctions i would be inclined to disagree and say that they co-lead a power bloc that doesn't always blindly follow the usa, but given what you mentioned i think germany is probably fifth after canada. them or roc.

  • Teekeeus [comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    Right now? Germany and France

    UK selling off their NHS to american health companies seems pretty bad too

      • poppy_apocalypse [he/him, any]
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        2 years ago

        According to Roberto Saviano, who has lived with armed guard for protection from the Camorra mafia because of his reporting, London is the most corrupt city on earth.

        • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          I maintain that if prince andrew had just stuck to preying on vulnerable British women and children like the rest of the aristocracy do when they cheat on their wives then any investigation would have been squashed early and the press would still faun over him.

          Prince Andrew's life story reads a bit like Dracula in that it was leaving his homeland that caused his destruction

            • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              well Dracula starts as a classic gothic horror story where the hero goes into the castle of a gothic monster. Then the monster follows him home and in this new unfamiliar environment he is ultimately destroyed.

              For the analogy England is the feudal country where prince Andrew is lord and master untouchable and the new country he goes to to prey on women would be america

    • InsideOutsideCatside [they/them]
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      2 years ago

      Lmao what, they're not even privatizing it to the national bourgeoisie? How are British people dumb enough to be okay with selling it to the fucking Americans

      • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        How are British people dumb enough to be okay with selling it to the fucking Americans

        because Britain is very corrupt and it's all done behind closed doors with little media attention. All the British public are aware is that things have been steadily getting worse.

        You might as well ask why Italians are ok with the mafia disposing of toxic waste by dumping it in farmland

      • Teekeeus [comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/feb/01/us-healthcare-giants-takeover-of-uk-gp-practices-lands-in-high-court

  • Shamwow [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    If by cucked you mean "have their sovereignty subverted for the good of American empire" then it's South Korea for sure.

    • reaper_cushions [he/him,comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      We basically already did. The entire working class is reeling from the ripples of sanction against Russia. The promised increase of the minimum wage has been swallowed by inflation in March, alone, and the succdem-green-liberal coalition is showing no signs or intentions of readjusting the minimum wage increase. We’re headed for the cool zone, and we’re headed there fast. At least many Germans are uniquely averse to full blown fascism for historical reasons. Emphasis on full blown, though.

  • eduardog3000 [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    The EU in general for tanking their economy for America's proxy war.

    And especially Ukraine for sending thousands of its own people to die in America's proxy war when they're not even in NATO.

        • KeepStalin [comrade/them]
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          2 years ago

          I know about that. That's why your comment doesn't make sense. Germany is destroying their economy to kowtow to America, meanwhile India purchased cheap Russian oil and isn't even getting sanctioned for it. It's the opposite of cucked. :shrug-outta-hecks:

          • sooper_dooper_roofer [none/use name]
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            2 years ago

            meanwhile India purchased cheap Russian oil and isn’t even getting sanctioned for it. It’s the opposite of cucked.

            The Indian populace is definitely ideologically cucked though. Obviously a great power with nukes and the 3rd largest army in the world can't be easily cucked materially by the US

            • KeepStalin [comrade/them]
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              2 years ago

              Eh, I interpreted the thread to mean countries which are subservient to USA to their own detriment. Otherwise, every single capitalist country is "ideologically cucked", no?

              • Mizokon [none/use name]
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                2 years ago

                I mean QUAD is basically the Asian NATO except for countering China instead of Russia.

                India is losing in many ways, U.S wants India to open up its markets further for capitalist exploitation and India is likely to continue doing it cuz China.

  • Diogenes_Barrel [love/loves]
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    2 years ago

    it is not the Anglo nations. the anglo ruling class & to a certain extent their proletarians benefit from NATO imperialism.

    Poland & the other former warsaw-pact NATO members that are actively being extracted & abused by their NATO allies yet still clinging to the alliance---thats some fucked up pathetic shit.