Bottom of my heart, don't even look into it. You will waste so much time for absolutely nothing. It's genuinely not even worth understanding these people outside of knowing that this is the true fascist form
It's even more stupid than that. It's the handwaving magic of simulationism, where a future AI would recreate the past in a simulation so perfectly that it's basically time travel and there are now millions of simulated versions of the unbelievers and apostates suffering in virtual hells because their future AI is apparently as fucked up and evil as the techbros that dreamed it up.
uh huh cool whatever i dont care if hypothetical alternate reality machine me 50 billion years in the future is being tortured, completely separate person
also remember these same early 2000s dweebs talking about tech singularity happening checks watch now. turns out there are material limits to things, who would have thought
I've unfortunately had long and exhausting arguments, including on Hexbear, with people that are so caught up in "simulationism" and "a perfect copy of someone is literally the same person (which is conveniently why so many of their thought experiments require the original person to be destroyed to make the copy)" that the magical thinking leads to that "perfect simulation" basically being the same person, literally and exactly, reborn, and maybe reborn millions of places at the same time for torture sessions because the future robot god is petty like that.
pretty silly. like im not even sure if i completely died, no brainwaves, and i was resurrected completely fine that i'd be the same person. pretty sure what makes you the same person is continuity of consciousness
but thats just theory of mind bullshit. next time i'm jesus i'll let you know how it felt
The usual argument I got was "souls don't real, therefore sufficiently perfect copy is literally you" which pretty much requires "oh yeah and original brain is destroyed to make the copy of course" handwaves so there isn't a contradiction. Without destroying the original, clearly the "literally you" copy has a problem at a subjective level.
original brain is destroyed to make the copy? bro its rotted out and doesnt exist unless you literally think its happening tomorrow, which if they do this is indistinguishable from a doomsday cult.
It's usually contrived as part of the "uploading" process, something like "a sufficiently perfect 'upload' would require sufficient energy to destroy the original brain" which is also used as a handwave to eliminate the very real contradiction where, if the original person didn't didn't die in the process, that person would say "I'm still here, I didn't go anywhere, 'perfect' or not, that is still a different new person over there."
yeah. i think its pretty funny that these dudebros are so high on their own supply that theyre basically saying 'woah, that twin of me, has like, my skin. woah. if its tortured im tortured.'
turns out, yes, i can in fact tell that i am seeing through my own eyes and perceiving with my own senses, thanks. if its all a sham, who cares, some deity is playing tricks with me by making me think i have a butthole or something. sucks to suck :shrug-outta-hecks:
It's escapist magical thinking and some here on Hexbear have it too. Yes, death is scary. Yes, the subjective experience of consciousness is fragile and finite. But even a "perfect" copy later is still a different, new person. I assume they'd be happy to exist, but it still isn't the original.
I wrote an entire novel trilogy with the techbro delusion of "perfect copies" as a central plot point. The "uploads" start having a problem when the "uploaded" no longer need to die to "upload," and because techbros don't like to share, not even with their "perfect copies," it gets... violent.
its pretty silly. i dont even see why i'd be concerned if i was the OG kristina or not. i'd just be like 'ok cool we got a ton of at-will cuddle buddies with trauma now' and get on with life
its all just immaterial, and yeah, magical. its also just a mishmash of scifi tropes which proves that these dudes have no original thoughts despite trying their hardest to make it seem intelligent and independent, and of course it ends in the epitome of 'rehash' by turning it into a doomsday cult that receives donations
Hopping in the thread late, but after reading the wiki the whole thing reminds me of Montaigne.
They would put themselves out of themselves, and escape from being men. It is folly; instead of transforming themselves into angels, they transform themselves into beasts; instead of elevating, they lay themselves lower. These transcendental humours affright me, like high and inaccessible places;
And a bit below
The pretty inscription wherewith the Athenians honoured the entry of Pompey into their city is conformable to my sense: “By so much thou art a god, as thou confessest thee a man.” ’Tis an absolute and, as it were, a divine perfection, for a man to know how loyally to enjoy his being
Gotta be willing to accept being in a body where the only constant is change (something TERFS can never accept, being essentialists).
They somehow managed to take "god isn't real, souls aren't real" and kitbash it with their own god substitute rapture escapism fantasies. They want to seem beyond superstition while trying very hard to get the same hit that religion typically provides.
who?
should i know who that is?
Bottom of my heart, don't even look into it. You will waste so much time for absolutely nothing. It's genuinely not even worth understanding these people outside of knowing that this is the true fascist form
Nick Land: not even once.
I have such sights to show you
(RationalWiki is lib shit but they're right in this case)
Note: there was some poster here whose head was thoroughly fucked with by this article for a while, do not recommend.
I debunked Rokos Basilisk so easily (and I'm an idiot) that I'm surprised anyone would fall for it
Credulous techbros want very badly to have a rapture with the inconvenient and uncool deity replaced with something more in their own bazinga image.
this is dumb af because its precondition is time travel and an infinitely expanding intelligence, and its indistinguishable from a religion
pretty much just humans continuing to use monke brain for things they cant understand
but of course i am merely serving the ai, you stupid ape :galaxy-brain:
It's even more stupid than that. It's the handwaving magic of simulationism, where a future AI would recreate the past in a simulation so perfectly that it's basically time travel and there are now millions of simulated versions of the unbelievers and apostates suffering in virtual hells because their future AI is apparently as fucked up and evil as the techbros that dreamed it up.
uh huh cool whatever i dont care if hypothetical alternate reality machine me 50 billion years in the future is being tortured, completely separate person
also remember these same early 2000s dweebs talking about tech singularity happening checks watch now. turns out there are material limits to things, who would have thought
I've unfortunately had long and exhausting arguments, including on Hexbear, with people that are so caught up in "simulationism" and "a perfect copy of someone is literally the same person (which is conveniently why so many of their thought experiments require the original person to be destroyed to make the copy)" that the magical thinking leads to that "perfect simulation" basically being the same person, literally and exactly, reborn, and maybe reborn millions of places at the same time for torture sessions because the future robot god is petty like that.
pretty silly. like im not even sure if i completely died, no brainwaves, and i was resurrected completely fine that i'd be the same person. pretty sure what makes you the same person is continuity of consciousness
but thats just theory of mind bullshit. next time i'm jesus i'll let you know how it felt
The usual argument I got was "souls don't real, therefore sufficiently perfect copy is literally you" which pretty much requires "oh yeah and original brain is destroyed to make the copy of course" handwaves so there isn't a contradiction. Without destroying the original, clearly the "literally you" copy has a problem at a subjective level.
It's magical thinking, New Atheism style.
what :jesse-wtf:
original brain is destroyed to make the copy? bro its rotted out and doesnt exist unless you literally think its happening tomorrow, which if they do this is indistinguishable from a doomsday cult.
It's usually contrived as part of the "uploading" process, something like "a sufficiently perfect 'upload' would require sufficient energy to destroy the original brain" which is also used as a handwave to eliminate the very real contradiction where, if the original person didn't didn't die in the process, that person would say "I'm still here, I didn't go anywhere, 'perfect' or not, that is still a different new person over there."
yeah. i think its pretty funny that these dudebros are so high on their own supply that theyre basically saying 'woah, that twin of me, has like, my skin. woah. if its tortured im tortured.'
turns out, yes, i can in fact tell that i am seeing through my own eyes and perceiving with my own senses, thanks. if its all a sham, who cares, some deity is playing tricks with me by making me think i have a butthole or something. sucks to suck :shrug-outta-hecks:
It's escapist magical thinking and some here on Hexbear have it too. Yes, death is scary. Yes, the subjective experience of consciousness is fragile and finite. But even a "perfect" copy later is still a different, new person. I assume they'd be happy to exist, but it still isn't the original.
I wrote an entire novel trilogy with the techbro delusion of "perfect copies" as a central plot point. The "uploads" start having a problem when the "uploaded" no longer need to die to "upload," and because techbros don't like to share, not even with their "perfect copies," it gets... violent.
its pretty silly. i dont even see why i'd be concerned if i was the OG kristina or not. i'd just be like 'ok cool we got a ton of at-will cuddle buddies with trauma now' and get on with life
its all just immaterial, and yeah, magical. its also just a mishmash of scifi tropes which proves that these dudes have no original thoughts despite trying their hardest to make it seem intelligent and independent, and of course it ends in the epitome of 'rehash' by turning it into a doomsday cult that receives donations
Hopping in the thread late, but after reading the wiki the whole thing reminds me of Montaigne.
And a bit below
Gotta be willing to accept being in a body where the only constant is change (something TERFS can never accept, being essentialists).
Hermeticism, the OG mindfucker
They somehow managed to take "god isn't real, souls aren't real" and kitbash it with their own god substitute rapture escapism fantasies. They want to seem beyond superstition while trying very hard to get the same hit that religion typically provides.
He created the trolley problem for guys that want to replace public transit with the blockchain.
Just a semi-popular writer in the Harry Potter fan-fiction community, I wouldn't worry too much about it.
His magical-thinking Bloody Mary For Techbros thought experiment psychologically traumatized a number of vulnerable people, so fuck him for that.