• BeamBrain [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Fascism also seems to have a certain amount of inherent self-loathing attached to it, so that could be a factor too.

      Isn't fascism, like, the opposite of self-loathing? Its philosophy is basically "I'm so superior to everyone else that people who aren't like me should all be my slaves or be exterminated."

      • asustamepanteon [comrade/them, he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Makes sense that fascists would frame their incoherent babbling as some sort of self-love life-affirming philosophy. I'd put the emphasis on the I'm and aren't like.

        I'm no theory buff, I try, but maybe someone could shine a light onto how fascism's drive for segregation resembles capitalism's drive for privatization. Is this related to the notion of private property? I don't know.

  • OrionsMask [he/him,any]
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    2 years ago

    I'd wager it's because they are also fascists. The fact that whites want to kill them doesn't stop them from wanting to kill gays, for example. They see their own hatred for other minorities in the hatred that the fascists display, and relate to the fascists through this. Or perhaps it's their own sense of superiority but :same-picture: I guess

  • Lussy [any]
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    2 years ago

    Because they’re white and hate black people. jesus christ people really writing essays as if it’s a mystery.

  • Abraxiel
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    2 years ago

    Hispanic people exist and own property in sufficient numbers to be folded into the modern US right wing. It's both a natural result of a growing latin bourgeoisie and a good strategy to counter the abysmally shortsighted democrat strategy on relying on demographic growth.

    The gays are just fooling themselves though.

  • DrunkUncle [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    Misogyny and patriarchal attitudes often attract dudes of any race to fascist movements.

  • furryanarchy [comrade/them,they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Fascists lie about almost everything to everyone, including themselves . Words don't have real meaning to them, they are only tools to advance your position and grow power . Fascist theory isn't much of a thing because fascists don't think like that, complete logic and building on concepts like that is missing the point of fascism.

    It's not difficult to just make the lie to yourself that you won't count somehow if you are a fascist. Either you are "one of the good ones", or this version of fascism doesn't hate the specific group you are in, or whatever justifies it.

    • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      it's also worth noting that under our current system bigotry can be as fluid as it needs to be to maintain itself. So they're delusions of acceptance are probably based on the areas where they are accepted by the hierarchy such as a white woman thinking they'll be accepted due to being white or a male hispanic thinking they'll be accepted for being a man etc

  • Venusta [any]
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    2 years ago

    Some usually more middle/upper class Italian Jews joined up with the blackshirts originally because they thought this would ensure that they would still get to remain in the in group and keep them from persecution, and genuinely couldn’t comprehend how they could walk the walk and talk the talk and still be considered part of the other just bc of blood or religion. There’s plenty of books / films on this, but I don’t recall all the names off the top of my head but here’s an article somewhat in the essence of it

    https://www.jta.org/archive/fascist-regime-is-not-unfriendly-to-italian-jews

    article is from 1928 and basically is like the facists will never go after the Jews in Italy that would be ridiculous, Jews are some of the most patriotic Italians, there are so many Jews in Mussolini’s cabinet etc.

  • AFineWayToDie [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Fascists have no ideologically pure stance on anything except for their own power. The most frothing neo-Nazi group would let a Jew join if it somehow served their agenda.

  • buh [any]
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    2 years ago

    "I can be one of the good ones!"

  • corngocrunch [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    Whiteness and the desire to obtain whiteness in society poison many minds. I love knowing that natural allies will betray us because of greed and brainwashing. Solidarity is dead. :sadness-abysmal: