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    • Chapo_is_Red [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      The additional $600 in COVID unemployment per week will probably end up edging out Trump for me. Depends on how much of the additional 10k for Pell I get.

      Perhaps, even if the Biden debt forgiveness is more in net, its not more money in my pocket immediately which could mean :trump-moist: still was better for me

  • Chapo_is_Red [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Rather than sliding into denigrating this or into praising the dems, we need to always be pushing the line further.

    What's great about this (assuming it doesn't fall apart somehow), is that it demonstrates to folks that debt is bullshit. Just numbers on a page waiting to be poofed

  • UlyssesT [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I am sincerely happy that :biden-leftist: somehow managed to help a comrade for a change.

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        It's not a new emoji but hasn't seen a lot of use because even joking about :biden-alert: being left in any meaningful way is hard to do.

  • gueybana [any]
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    2 years ago

    honestly im still down a large chunk of change lol but 10k is not nothing for us peasants.

    this mf better not do a rug pull.

    • crime [she/her, any]
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      2 years ago

      this mf better not do a rug pull.

      Worst case scenario is that he does and it radicalizes a shitload more people

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Even worse scenario is the rug pull makes a lot of people that associate "left" with "liberal" take their chances with mask-off fascism instead.

  • Barabas [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    It also has made a load if ivy league blue ticks incredibly upset, which is always a good thing.

  • Thomas_Dankara [any,comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    https://i.ibb.co/6ngjSJ6/bourgeois-democracy.png

    instead of thanking biden for "forgiving" your debt you should question a system that puts you in debt in the first place, and ask why you should be "thankful" to its bourgeois leaders that they magnimously "forgave" the debt they put you in, in the first place. And why did they put you in debt, after all? For receiving an education? Why did you need an education? So you can go and work for them, and make them money! They charge you tens of thousands of dollars for what is essentially job training at the end of the day.

    If I set your dwelling on fire, and then put the fire out, you are not obligated to thank me for my firefighting services. Nor should what I am doing be framed as "flame forgiveness"

    Also don't believe any claims about debt forgiveness is real until the next election cycle is over. There's plenty of time for them to pull the rug out from under you. The bourgeoisie and their lapdog politicians will never be your friend.

    • fishnwhistle420 [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      They charge you tens of thousands of dollars for what is essentially job training at the end of the day.

      Job training with a gambling mechanic built in, where you may graduate and get no job at all, at which point you can double down for an even more expensive degree and try the job search again, or cut your losses and go home

  • Fartster [comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    If I get 20k forgiven I might actually start making payments again. Which I guess is the point, this is how they actually get people to give them anything since wage workers mostly have $0 per month plans. If its only 10k, nothing changes for me.

        • DrunkUncle [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          the pell were grants. no need repay.

          but because you qualified for pell, it means you get $20k erased.

          • Fartster [comrade/them]
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            2 years ago

            That would be pretty cool. Maybe I will not be in debt to the US gov forever, although I always assumed I would eventually be leaving the country at some point

            • DrunkUncle [none/use name]
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              2 years ago

              either way: never pay.

              our ancestors fought against debtor's prisons for a reason: so we don't have to pay the ghouls.

              • bbnh69420 [she/her, they/them]
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                2 years ago

                My partner's current strategy for undergrad loans is to never pay. Does that actually work? Are there any consequences?

                • DrunkUncle [none/use name]
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                  2 years ago

                  It’s been working for me for a long time.

                  It hurts your credit score some. Other than that, no.

                  Use every forbearance, etc that you can to keep them from going into default for as long as possible.

          • Fartster [comrade/them]
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            2 years ago

            Yeah, oh well, I'm not too stoked about this. Seems more like dangling a carrot and trying to get me to vote. I am happy its going to help some people though.

  • DivineChaos100 [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    Why is everyone so head over heels on Biden PROPOSING to do the bare minimum he could do about student loan cancellation? Like ok, it's good compared to other stuff he's done but it was a very low bar and this is still means tested bullshit.

      • PasswordRememberer [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        God forbid people get excited about the possibility of their lives being less shitty. Log off

        Death to America

        • JoeByeThen [he/him, they/them]
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          2 years ago

          Lol. Yeah, there's definitely no historical precedence for crumbs being used to undermine movements for actual change. "This is a big fucking deal."

          • bbnh69420 [she/her, they/them]
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            2 years ago

            My god, we don't have a movement to be undermined. This isn't the New Deal mollifying the socialist movement, no leftists are going to become liberals over a single policy, people here are merely expressing relief that the burden capitalist society has placed on them has been lightened a bit by government action. If anything, this demonstrates how gov intervention can make peoples' lives easier, and might lead people to ask why it never happens on a larger scale

            • JoeByeThen [he/him, they/them]
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              2 years ago

              And the ACA is the first step towards Universal Healthcare.👍 I've already seen this one, it's a classic.

                • JoeByeThen [he/him, they/them]
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                  2 years ago

                  I don't have to, I've already seen this one. That's what I was told by people making the same arguments as you over the ACA.

                  They're not gonna do something that benefits you more than it will save the system.

                  • bbnh69420 [she/her, they/them]
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                    2 years ago

                    I'm not expecting THEM to do something, I'm hoping people realize that the state has power, and chooses to not help people with it. I'm hoping people ask questions like "why only 10k?" "why not medical debt" "why does this shit exist in the first place" It's a longshot, but more realistic than whatever you're assuming I'm saying/

                    • JoeByeThen [he/him, they/them]
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                      2 years ago

                      They’re not gonna do something that benefits you more than it will save the system.

                      I’m not expecting THEM to do something,

                      They DID do something; they mean tested a half assed forgiveness program that is going to do more to further lock people into an exploitative system than it's going to lead to your idealistic epiphanies. CONSENT IS MANUFACTURED, this is part of that process. Look forward to spending the next decade being told you're ungrateful for not being satisfied for what you got every time you try to bring up the need for actual change to student loans or higher education.

                      • bbnh69420 [she/her, they/them]
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                        2 years ago

                        Look forward to spending the next decade being told you’re ungrateful for not being satisfied for what you got every time you try to bring up the need for actual change

                        Good thing they do this already

    • halfpipe [they/them]
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      2 years ago

      Well he's still doing the bare minimum in the same way that Obama did, it's just that conditions are much more dire now, so the level of the minimum has risen.